Way of the intercepting fist

[ovine king]

all chinese styles deal intercepting.

the word that bruce lee romanised as "jeet" is better translated to "receive" (or even "catch"). Bruce, being someone who was trying to sell a product chose to use "intercept" instead because it is practically the same a "receive" but it sounds better.

intercepting/receiving is a term used to describe the phases of fighting. It isn't specifically a term used to describe a concept.

[White Warlock]

Hung gar is one of them if I'm not mistaking.

One of the many...

He didn't call it Jun Fan JKD. JKD is being taught still as it was originally before Lee's back injury. That teaching is called Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, to indicate that it's the original JKD.

I'm aware of this. I just consider it pointless. It's like Taco Bell's 'cheese' quesadilla, being that the word, "quesa" in quesadilla means cheese. So, it's like saying cheese cheese dilla, just as Jun Fan JKD is like saying Bruce Lee's Bruce Lee system.

And no, it's not a knock on you, just on the selling ploy of some of these schools. Nothing stays 'pure,' no matter how hard one tries.

And I think JKD is a style no matter how much he wanted it not to be. It is being taught as a style too. The later JKD right before Lee died, it was a philosophy, but before the back injury it was a style.

I disagree... and agree. It is being taught as a philosophy, within a style. Many places merge Jun Fan do with the philosophy presented in JKD. They also grab many of Bruce Lee's insights and 'wrap it around' the name of JKD, when it was never intended to be that way. In my opinion, that once again falls under the idea that they 'simplify' it all... for commercial purposes.

I mean, can you imagine how much of a pain is it to explain to every friggin person who walks in the door that JKD is not a system? No, most instructors just gave up. Instead those students that are diligent eventually learn to understand the difference... just as many kung fu schools used to advertise as 'karate,' because it was much easier than trying to educate every 'short-timing' curiouser about wushu / kung fu, and Chinese history as it pertains to the martial arts.

And another thing. This thread is NOT about what Jeet Kune Do is about. Nor about Lee's life. I have already stated this before. I do know what JKD is about, and this is not about that.

Well, i felt it prudent to indicate what it is about, since you were purporting it incorrectly in your query. I mean, without a proper base to initiate a conversation, you're not going to get a proper analysis, and thus not a proper set of results to your queries.

[dippedappe]

And another thing. This thread is NOT about what Jeet Kune Do is about. Nor about Lee's life. I have already stated this before. I do know what JKD is about, and this is not about that.

Well, i felt it prudent to indicate what it is about, since you were purporting it incorrectly in your query. I mean, without a proper base to initiate a conversation, you're not going to get a proper analysis, and thus not a proper set of results to your queries.

Your right. But this thread is only about the translation of the name Jeet Kune Do, and about what Wing Chun is mostly about. Not what Jeet Kune Do is about, only the name.

[ovine king]

i'll quote myself here

all chinese styles deal intercepting.

the word that bruce lee romanised as "jeet" is better translated to "receive" (or even "catch"). Bruce, being someone who was trying to sell a product chose to use "intercept" instead because it is practically the same a "receive" but it sounds better.

intercepting/receiving is a term used to describe the phases of fighting. It isn't specifically a term used to describe a concept.

and now i'll quote bruce lee.

remember the name jeet kune do is merely a name used, a mirror in which we see ourselves. the name is nothing special.

what you have done, by questioning the meaning of the name, is exactly the thing that you're not meant to do which is put meaning and significance to the name.

[shogeri]

The ironic part is the concept of the metaphor regarding water started back long before Bruce ever entered into the picture.

He helped spark a renewed interest in the arts with an emphasis on whatever you are doing, make it real, and make it work.

[ZepedaWingChun]

. . . . . To the best of my knowledge Wing Chun means "Praise Spring", and I don't know if I like this style taking my pagan religion's MO of worshipping spring

I attempted to PM you some information on how Wing Chun received the name. But because I'm new to the forum, and have less than 25 posts, I'm unable to PM you. If you like, you can PM me an e-mail address and I'll send you something (if you're interested).

. On a side note, although I've never taken Wing Chun I don't think I've ever seen a WC Martial artist ever use the sidestepping intercepting thrust punch Lee was so famous for. Most WC techniques seem to involve a slight parry with one hand and a simultaneous strike through with the other hand.

Most Wing Chun practitioners feel there is no need to perform this (the idea is to use as little energy as possible, so why move), but it is in the system. Or at least, I have been taught it from my sifu and I teach it to my students. It is derived from motions in the Wooden Dummy sets. It is most used by someone smaller against someone much larger in size.

[Kajukenbopr]

Bruce Lee's philosophy is about intercepting the opponents attack with an attack of ones own, with directness. But isn't that the Wing Chun philosophy as well?

it is the same as in Wing Chun, as in Kenpo, as in Kajukenbo, as in Krav Maga, Kali, Farang Mu Sul, etc. so of course its going to be similar to Wing Chun- it was the first martial art he trained in, his foundation for martial arts.

Does this matter really if he took it and made it part of Jeet Kune Do?Bruce LEe's style was born form his experinces with other styles and mixed it with his Wing Chun MArtial Arts foundation, from there, he began adding things that worked better for him.

[shogeri]

There is alot of great insight, and thoughts on this thread!

Keep it coming in floods of positive support and or encouragement!

Later!

[stonecrusher69]

Th eidea of intercepting an attack with an attack of your own is the same for WC JKD and other style but how each style goes about may be different which is why we have so many styles.