shaolin10 Posted August 6, 2005 Posted August 6, 2005 Legend of the Fearless Fighter (title still in works) Staring Jet Li (Fist of Legend, Unleashed, Once Upon a Time in China, Kiss of the Dragon) Director: Ronny Yu (Bride of Chucky, Bride with White Hair, Freddy vs. Jason, Warriors of Virtue) Action Director: Yuen Woo-ping (Fist of Legend, Kill Bill vol.1&2, The Matrix trilogy, Kung Fu Hustle) Producer: Bill Kong (Hero, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, House of Flying Daggers) The film tells the story of Martial Arts Legend Huo Yuanjia a.k.a. Fok Yun-gap (the Master of Jet Li’s character Chen Zhen in Fist Of Legend) son of a famous Martial Arts practitioner who dreams of following in his father's footsteps and continuing his legacy. The story starts with young Huo Yuanjia accidentally killing his opponent, son of a local tyrant, during a match. The local tyrant then vows revenge on Huo Yuanjia so he goes into hiding where he spends a few years in a small village in Thailand. During of which, a half-blind girl named Yue Ci, becomes his spiritual guide and they develop a special bond. Ultimately, Li’s character Huo Yuanjia must come out of hiding to defend the honor of his country in an international tournament. In the end he defeats a foreign fighter in Shanghai and becomes a national hero. The film is said to be recruiting fighters from many backgrounds with different styles like Wrestling, Wushu, Tae Kwon Do, Karate, Kickboxing, Judo, etc. The film deals with the growth and eventual realization of Huo Yuan Jia, the character is portrayed as an ordinary person, rather than the exalted status of a folk hero. It depicts Huo Yuan Jia as a man of principles, restraint, and great forbearance who doesn’t believe in violence and in paying back his enemy in their own coin. The real life Chinese Martial Arts Master Huo Yuanjia was born around 1868, and died around 1910… Huo Yuanjia was the founder and spiritual guru of infamous Martial Arts School Chin Woo (Jing Wu)… He grew up very weak and always sick, his family didn't let him practice Martial Arts although everyone else in the family did. So Huo learned his family art with out the family knowing, and actually got himself stronger. Besides learning his family's own unique style of martial arts, Huo kept an open-mind and was very accepting of other styles. He traveled and learned the strong points of other arts, and combined them into his own style called "Mi Zhong Quan", or the "Fist of Lost/No Origins" -- much like the philosophy behind Bruce Lee's "Jeet Kune Do". But of course, Huo lived in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Huo became an instant national hero after defeating a Russian fighter who claimed to be the best fighter alive, and that the entire Chinese race was too weak to beat him. After Huo's victory, several foreigner challengers all failed to defeat Huo in attempts to reclaim their race superiorities. Later on, Huo developed an asthma-like disorder that just wouldn’t go away, and was killed after some conspirators and enemies (Japanese/foreign oppositions that disliked his heroic status among the Chinese) poisoned his cough medicine. There comes the story of "Chinese Connection/Fist of Fury/Fist of Legend" made famous by the Bruce Lee and Jet Li films, which are known so well, where Chen Zhen avenges his master's wrongful death. That is the description of Jet Li's last Kung Fu MovieThe reason I am making this topic is to find out who you think should be in this movie. Huo Yuen Jia like Mas Oyama had a very extraordinary life stories. But when film productions were made on these films their stories became fictionalized to a degree. So for this movie they should go all out with the martial arts action by hiring martial artists who can deliver the most intense screen fights to date. I just want to get an opinion on which martial artist you think can make the film better or make it worse when it comes to displaying martial arts. For example "Shaolin Challenges Ninja" starring Gordon Liu showed how Kung Fu's adaptability to Japanese martial arts from hand to hand to weaponry, but since choreography has improved since the seventies; not only the martial arts can be shown at its best but the actors as wellThis list of Jet Li's martial arts background was posted by TheMASSIVE on the IMDB Forums.Jet Li specializes in the following styles: • chang quan (long fist) • dao (broadsword) • gun (staff) • fanzi quan (tumbling fist) • 3-section staff • pu dao (horse chopper) • taiji quan (the 5 main styles) • xing yi quan (mind-form fist) • bagua zhang (eight-trigrams palm) • jian (straight-sword) • qiang (spear) • zui quan (drunken fist) • tang lang quan (mantis fist) • ying zhao quan (eagle claw boxing) • zui jian (drunken sword) • shuang dao (double broadswords) • axe • battle axe • double hooks swords • fork • 9 section whip • mace • hammer • talon • trident-halberd • long-handled spear • short cudgel • meteor hammer • rope dart If you don't want to reply that's cool but if you do then don't post any anti-Jet li thread doubting his skills. So lets begin. Old School Fighters Lau Kar Leung: Hung Gar, Monkey Kung Fu, Chinese Weaponry. Gordon Liu: Northern/Southern Shaolin, Lau Gar, Hung Gar Hai Yu: Wushu, Hsing I, Mantis Fist. Cynthia Rothrock: Tang Soo Do, Eagle Claw, Northern Shaolin, Wushu, Eagle Claw. Whang In Shik: Hapkido Sho Kosugi: Ninjitsu, Shinto Ryu, Kendo, Judo. Sammo Hung: Wing Chun, Five Animals, Monkey Kung Fu, Kickboxing. Benny Urquidez: American Kickboxing. Karen Shepherd: Kajukembo. Chuck Norris: Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do. Yasuaki Kurata: Kendo, Karate, Aikido, Judo Sonny Chiba: Ninjitsu, Kyokushinkai, Judo, Shorinji Kempo, Kendo, Karate. Jackie Chan: Various Styles. Yuen Biao: Nanquan, Southern/Northern Shaolin, Kickboxing, Wing Chun,TKD,Aikido. Donnie Yen: Wushu, Tai Chi, Kickboxing. Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa: Various Styles. Hiroyuki Sanada: Karate. Ernie Reyes Sr: Tae Kwon Do Mark Dacascos: Capoeria, Wushu, Shaolin, Wun Hop Kuen Do, Boxing Steven Seagal: Aikido, Judo, Karate, Kendo, Goju Ryu June Castro: Shaolin Kenpo,JKD, Boxing, BJJ, Muay Thai, Silat. Bolo Yeung: Tai Chi Jim Kelly: Shorin Ryu T.J Storm: Arashi-Ryu Karate, Shito-Ryu Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Ninjitsu, Jiu Jitsu, and Northern Shaolin Kung Fu. Adrian Paul: Tae Kwon Do, Hung Gar, Kickboxing, boxing, Choy Lay Fut,Kenjutsu Diana Lee Inosanto: JKD, Kali, Silat, Shoot Wrestling, Savate Phillip Rhee: Hapkido, Kendo, Tae Kwan Do Robin Shou: Wushu Ron Balicki: Kali, Silat, Escrima, Wing Chun Gung Fu, Lameco Escrima, Wing Chun Gung Fu, Indonesian Silat, Thai-Boxing, Shoot Wrestling, Deberberg Martial Arts System, Savate. New Generation Ray Park: Chin Woo, Northern Shaolin, Wushu, Kickboxing. Rayment Twins: Boxing, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Kenpo, Wu Tai. Michael Jai White: Kyokushin, Goju Ryu, TKD, Shotokan, Kobudo, Wushu. Jacky Wu Jing: Wushu Tony Jaa: Tae Kwan Do, Muay Thai. Cyril Raffaelli: Wushu, Shotokan, Tae Kwon Do Kim Won Jin: Tae Kwon Do Kane Kosugi: Karate, Ninjisu
isshinryu5toforever Posted August 6, 2005 Posted August 6, 2005 Simon Rhee, the fight between him and his brother at the end of Best of the Best was choreographed pretty well.Don "The Dragon" WilsonMichelle "The Mouse" KrasnooIt could be interesting to see someone like Casey Marks on screen.Big men like Bob Sapp make movie fights entertaining although we know they may not be the greatest martial artists.You named a lot of people off. Also, it doesn't seem that a new generation of martial arts action stars have really risen. Jet Li is about 42, Jackie Chan is 51, Van Damme has all but fallen off the map, Segal hasn't made a theater released movie in years, and most others of note have basically retired. Other than Tony Jaa (Phanem Yerum) I haven't seen many new martial arts superstars. And Tony Jaa is still yet to be a household name in the United States. It would be interesting to see them find some unknown martial artists of various styles for a movie like that. I'm sure that high a few high level martial artists in a room could create some good fight scenes. He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened.- Tao Te Ching"Move as swift as a wind, stay as silent as forest, attack as fierce as fire, undefeatable defense like a mountain."- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
kzshin Posted August 6, 2005 Posted August 6, 2005 I think some of the Info was wrong. For example, Henry Sanda knows more than just karate, he does kenjitsu also. And Sammo Hung, Yun biao, and Jackie Chan should have simliar styles, since they trained together when they were kids. And I thought Chuck Norris's main art is Karate.It's a great post, but I think the fact needs to be fine tune a little bit.back to the subject, I can't wait to see Jet Li's last movie, I heard its' going to be released during OCT this year in asia.
isshinryu5toforever Posted August 6, 2005 Posted August 6, 2005 Chuck Norris is a Tang Soo Do guy, but Tang Soo Do is fairly close to some of Karate's hard styles. You are right though, Jackie Chan, Yun Biao, and Samo Hung should have very similar styles, Chinese Theater. They have added some real Kung Fu though. He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened.- Tao Te Ching"Move as swift as a wind, stay as silent as forest, attack as fierce as fire, undefeatable defense like a mountain."- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
shaolin10 Posted August 7, 2005 Author Posted August 7, 2005 I must admit that when making this post there are a few martial aritsts that don't have their exact style listed. So when I came across people like Sammo Hung, Jackie Chan and Yuen Biao I listed the styles that they used in their movies like Sammo Hung using Wing Chun in Warriors Two, and Prodigal Son.The martial artists that don't have a complete listing of styles are:Sammo HungJackie ChanCary Hiroyuki TagawaHiroyuki SanadaJim KellyAnd in reply to isshinryu5toforever's post; it would be rather difficult for an unknown fighter to keep up with Jet Li. Even though Yuen Woo Ping has worked miracles with the Matrix cast, screen fighting with Jet Li is on a whole different level.
isshinryu5toforever Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 I don't know about that. There are some very talented martial artists out there. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they aren't good. It just means they haven't garnered the exposure of other martial artists. This could be because they didn't seek it, or because they just don't care. Besides that, how many people really do keep up with Jet Li? He who knows others is wise. He who knows himself is enlightened.- Tao Te Ching"Move as swift as a wind, stay as silent as forest, attack as fierce as fire, undefeatable defense like a mountain."- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
shaolin10 Posted August 7, 2005 Author Posted August 7, 2005 Well in any case the reason why I chose those martial artists is due to the fact that a good majority maintain that screen presence to carry an intense fight scene. Sammo Hung said himself that when he made movies in the past there were many people who can fight and can do the moves but does that mean they can maintain a fight seen and make it awesome? This is the real question of this topic.Now I am not saying that all these fighters have to go up against Jet Li. Different fighters can mix it up in the movie as well. Since the movie is supposed to have an international fighting tournament, then different fighters can have a chance to showcase their physical talent and their styles. So who do you think can make for an excellent fight scene.
Son Goku the monkeyking Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 well if i could make some sudgestions i have allways liked bolo yeungs style of fighting but i always thought he did shotokan style fighting, it did not look like tai-chi 2 me but maybe i did not look close enoughi thought the mna from kungfu hustle, and shaolin soccer was pretty good fighter but i cant remember his name. and yeah jachie chan, and sammo hueng were good fighters own scream. also i oh now i remeber the guy from shaolin soccer stephen chow he is good.oh um dose any1 no why this will be his last movie him and chan were always kinda my romodles ino i spelled that wrong.PEACE
Bruce WillPete7 Posted August 7, 2005 Posted August 7, 2005 This will be a tournament of epic proportions!! Sounds familiar -.- But this will be a great movie and i cant wait to see it. The Guy from Shaolin Soccer and Kung Fu hustle is Steven Chow. Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless like water. When you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup; when you put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle; when you put water into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow- or it can crash. Be water my friend. ~Bruce Lee
shaolin10 Posted August 7, 2005 Author Posted August 7, 2005 Well I think the tournament angle has been used repeatedly in martial arts films like The Quest, Mortal kombat, Bloodsport and Best of the Best. Howeverm its also good thing because there doesn't have to be a villain that has to be defeated at the end.This movie should try to capture martial arts at its best by those who can represent it in the most positive way.The fights I would love to see:Lau Kar Leung VS. Sonny ChibaBilly Chow VS. Tony JaaJet Li VS. Michael Jai White
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