hapkido.. would you say it is "brutal"??

[Goju_boi]

yes u did answer my question ,thanks .I would go to check out some schools.just that the hapkido schools that I know of are far,and even the who's to say that they are legit?

[BLACCBILLYJACC]

By The Way, stay away from schools that teach TKD & HKD.

Trust me most of those places are TKD with a few wrist grabs & some judo throws if it's real hkd then there's no need for the two styles to merge because HKD has enough in it's arsenal to learn for atleast a few decades.

[tufrthanu]

Thats just false. Many...MANY good dojang teach both tkd and hkd. Especially since many korean instructors have rank in both.

[BLACCBILLYJACC]

Thats just false. Many...MANY good dojang teach both tkd and hkd. Especially since many korean instructors have rank in both.

I disagree, (Based on my experiences & those of my friends) Now there's an exception to every once & awhile BUT I know I've seen far too many TKD schools in the last 8 years that teach strictly sport TKD & add in some throws & a few wrist locks and call it HKD. I know this to be true based on Hapkidoist who've been training for 15 to 20 years or more and were friends or aquintances of instructors & their students and next thing you know GM so & so who's always been a TKD guy starts to add HKD to his schools credentials without hireing any HKD teachers.

This happens often when guys/girls start their own schools,when I was training at a school a few years back a guy that was a TKD 2nd Dan started training for about 10 months & right at reaching his green belt he quit & opened up his own school about 40 miles away, the GM & the senior instructor & some of the guys went out to pay him a visit while he was teaching class

, should've seen the look on his face. The GM & SI went in & asked him a few questions and then told him clearly that he had no business passing himself off as a HKD Master & running a HKD school & placeing adds in local papers & fluffing his resume . Well within in two weeks he changed that to TKD & added self defense classes ( and charged a little extra to teach them to his students..for goodness sakes he was a frickin green belt) He wound up takin some morning classes with another GM that we knew for about another 8 months & spending some cash in federation fees to get some certifications from some money hungry earn your black belt from tapes & internet and tada! You have a blue belt now certified as a HKD Black Belt Instructor!!! Now he can put HKD up there on their school sign. This sort of thing happens all the time.

So if your school has qualified instructors teaching both then that's great.

But still I don't see why there's a need for HKD & TKD in the same school & I feel the same about TKD & TSD in the same school.

Can you please explain why both are being taught & what it is you and other students are getting out of it ?

Thanks,

BBJ

[tufrthanu]

Well of course they wouldn't teach TSD and TKD at the same school those are similar arts. TKD and HKD are complementary arts. This means that they fill in the gaps of the other arts. Some kicks and strikes used in TKD are not used in HKD and then of course all the grapples from HKD are not used in TKD. I went to a school once where all they tought was Sin Moo HKD and while they had alot that TKD didn't they were missing some stuff too.

[Goju_boi]

I'll say about half of the tkd schools in my area mix it up with hapkido.

[BLACCBILLYJACC]

Please tell me, what could they possibly be missing and how does TKD fill that void in an art that (based on my 22 years experience in various MA's)

can do it standing up & on the ground?

What kinda baffels me is all of the good things I've heard from Sin Moo students especialy since Ji Han Jae is considerd by many to be the founder of HKD to a great extent if not outright, but anyway I've seen some of his former students who've also taken TKD & heard them say things like I was a BB in TKD & very good & then was schooled by a HKD guy because I was not prepared to have my legs swept ,legs caught, being tossed like a salad & so on. GM Ho Jin Song is one of many whom I've heard say this and that they never looked back so they don't teach it in their schools etc;

[tufrthanu]

There were some kicks and punches used in TKD that were not used in Sin Moo HKD. And yes you can do TKD standing and on the ground. It's just that most people never try it from there. As far as not preparing to have your legs swept...if the rules were the HKD guy can use his entire repertoire than that is the fault of the TKD guy for not being prepared. Has nothing to do with the art. The problem is alot of modern TKD schools have taken out the Ho Shin Sool curriculum...which taught most of the things you are speaking of. That is why alot of them have added back in the HKD.

[Goju_boi]

wasn't there a hapkido style invented in jail?

[Muaythaiboxer]

yes!!! i never thought that would come up on KF! one of my crew members on my construction crew learned in the jail it has no kata and few kicks but they called it hapkido cause the guy who tought it did hapkido.