Are modern Ninjas active?

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Probably

Oh and that site you sent, that is just espinage, that doesn't classify those guys as ninja's. It's a dead practice. Most places only study the empty hand, taijitsu, some weapons training and some interal aspects, but allot of the espinange techniques and other techniques aren't in high training order.

Even killing techniques aren't high demand in the art. Any way I am done talking about make-believe Ninja's. Time to face modern times, and reality people. Day dream in your black pajamas, and sneaking around the neiborhood.

Well, why study espionage if one is not training to be a spy, you know?

All I have to say is "Ninja Please!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...ahem.

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You are wrong with real Ninjas not existing, if this is what you are saying. There are still traditional Ninjas and Samurai in Japan: But thats more of trying to keep the traditions alive for being sort of a trademark for Japan. Much like Shaolin Wushu in China. They are of cause not doing what the traditions was created for anymore.

Ninjas aren't meant for fighting in the most effective way. They are meant to kill in the most swiftest and stealthiest way, I would think that acrobatics are very useful if not essential for that purpose.

Whats not effective about swiftly and stealthly taking down an opponent and also i know in bujinkan is ment for street fighting there are alot of cops and army ppl in this style also all that flipping stuff is from the movies and most of the time you are being fooled cause they r showing you a nnja doing Karate

I dont think I did. What I meant with what I said was, that they aren't training to be able to defend themself in a streetfight in the most effective way, or fighting other styles. They are training to put a Katana or Sai in the back of the victim without him or the others knowing it.

if by Katana you mean gun then you r right also ninja didnt use sai thats a karate weapon

also tha video was just guys doing tkd

Fnally Ninjas were mainly spies which means that once in a while they did assinations the Shogun has his on group of samurai who were assasins alot of that came from the ninja boom in the 80's by fruads so ppl now have a mininterpatation of Ninjutsu

Modern ninjitsu/taijutsu practioners train in firearms? Is that what you meant? If so, that's news to me. Hmm, interesting.

[sdargie]

Wasn't the original purpose of training in stealth to keep the Ninja villages hidden and secluded? In order to keep their clans safe from invading armies they learned how to stay invisible and quiet. Sure, later some practitioners became private assasins but that wasn't everyone.

[Enviroman]

Wasn't the original purpose of training in stealth to keep the Ninja villages hidden and secluded? In order to keep their clans safe from invading armies they learned how to stay invisible and quiet. Sure, later some practitioners became private assasins but that wasn't everyone.

I think that's some western romanticization. Ninja were spies and assassins by most historical accounts. Ninja didn't always dress in their shinobi shozoku (the common black garb with tabi shoes)...they were spies. They impersonated people to infiltrate camps and gain valuable information...

[Anbu Alex]

Wasn't the original purpose of training in stealth to keep the Ninja villages hidden and secluded? In order to keep their clans safe from invading armies they learned how to stay invisible and quiet. Sure, later some practitioners became private assasins but that wasn't everyone.

Actually this is true most ninja were farmers who were attacked periodcally so they developed stealth skills to protect them selves ppl dont know this but alot of ninja were actually samurai there was even a ninja school developed from Musashi's style

yea in some dojo they do teach fire arm use not in all like my Sensei says if you enter a gun fight with no gun you deserve to get shot

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Mistake

[Goju_boi]

James Bond was a Ninja

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Whats not effective about swiftly and stealthly taking down an opponent and also i know in bujinkan is ment for street fighting there are alot of cops and army ppl in this style also all that flipping stuff is from the movies and most of the time you are being fooled cause they r showing you a nnja doing Karate

Take Jeet Kune Do etc. Thats about fighting in the most effective way possible. Ninjitsu is not. In Ninjitsu, you learn to be stealthy, to kill stealthy and quickly, and a bit mumbojumbo. Yes Ninjas train to be effective fighters in hand-to-hand combat, but it's not their purpose. Acrobatics are very difficult to use effective in a hand-to-hand fight, but it is a very good thing for moving quickly and stealthy. Therefore it doesn't matter if acrobatics aren't useful in a fight for a ninja.

if by Katana you mean gun then you r right also ninja didnt use sai thats a karate weapon

Why would I mean gun when I write katana? No I don't mean gun, because guns weren't used by Ninjas in that era. And Ninjas do use sai. It might first have been a Karate weapon, but it's been a ninja weapon too for quite some time now.

also tha video was just guys doing tkd

I really don't think that was TKD. And even if it was (however unlikely), they did do a hell lot more than fighting hand-to-hand. And since TKD is Korean, I doubt there are katanas in that MA. The guys in the clips used katanas. They also used some hand techniques that looked very much like the "Ninja-magic" ninjas learn. And they did know how to use the inviroments very well. To me it looks like it's very unlikely that they weren't trained in the Ninja arts.

[JusticeZero]

My understanding - and I did spend some time training in Bujinkan (Ninjutsu, now Budo taijutsu) once upon a time - is that they did not use Katana because Katana were out of their price range (They used ninja-to, which is a general term for the cheaper, shorter, straight swords they used that were designed to their specifications to be more utilitarian and disposable) and I never heard of them using Sai. Maybe a couple of them did. I recall seeing material on using a kunai (heavy gardening spade), nekode (hand 'climbing' claws), hanbo (short staff - think 'cane" sizewise), shuriken (hammered nails and flat metal plates like hinges, basically) and other improvised objects, but I don't recall anything sailike in that list. The instructor I remember working with also recommended, IIRC, that all his students get checked out with firing handguns and rifles at a shooting range, and i've heard that this isn't unusual. The ninja of history were apparently an early and enthusiastic adoptor of firearms, according to some of the stuff left over.

Acrobatics was not a particularly highlighted thing taught.

The whole exercize pretty much struck me as historical preservation; the people teaching the skills which were reputedly used by the ninja weren't what I would call 'ninja' themselves, but they knew a decent amount about them. Flashing katanas, sai, and black stage handler costumes was not a significant part of that history. Peasant clothes, improvised gimmicks, and 101 Twisted And Wrong Uses for Everyday Household Objects was.

[Anbu Alex]

Whats not effective about swiftly and stealthly taking down an opponent and also i know in bujinkan is ment for street fighting there are alot of cops and army ppl in this style also all that flipping stuff is from the movies and most of the time you are being fooled cause they r showing you a nnja doing Karate

Take Jeet Kune Do etc. Thats about fighting in the most effective way possible. Ninjitsu is not. In Ninjitsu, you learn to be stealthy, to kill stealthy and quickly, and a bit mumbojumbo. Yes Ninjas train to be effective fighters in hand-to-hand combat, but it's not their purpose. Acrobatics are very difficult to use effective in a hand-to-hand fight, but it is a very good thing for moving quickly and stealthy. Therefore it doesn't matter if acrobatics aren't useful in a fight for a ninja.

if by Katana you mean gun then you r right also ninja didnt use sai thats a karate weapon

Why would I mean gun when I write katana? No I don't mean gun, because guns weren't used by Ninjas in that era. And Ninjas do use sai. It might first have been a Karate weapon, but it's been a ninja weapon too for quite some time now.

also tha video was just guys doing tkd

I really don't think that was TKD. And even if it was (however unlikely), they did do a hell lot more than fighting hand-to-hand. And since TKD is Korean, I doubt there are katanas in that MA. The guys in the clips used katanas. They also used some hand techniques that looked very much like the "Ninja-magic" ninjas learn. And they did know how to use the inviroments very well. To me it looks like it's very unlikely that they weren't trained in the Ninja arts.

ok you never have taken ninjutsu and i do so how can you tell me if its effective or if wat they r doing is real i mean with all due respect if you have correct me i have been in many fights cause i live in a bad Neighborhood second of all it doesnt matter if they do hand weaving that was in every ninja book in the 80's go to barnes and noble and look for a Steven Hayes book that doesnt make them a ninja there were never high kicks in ninjutsu i know i sound harsh but ppl have been given the wrong impression of Ninjutsu and i dont want you to have one other ppl on this forum seem to have an uderstanding and coments are for the most part right TRUST ME IM TRYING TO HELP