A Better Scenario

[White Warlock]

Moral of the story is, just because you can hurt someone doesnt mean you should....

In this case, however, there is a dependent around... so you're not merely defending yourself or a 'buddy.' One of these persons had previously made 'sexually connotated' actions at the bar, which means there is a large possibility they may, after handling you, commit a crime against her.

Also, your approach shows a lot of 'assumption,' in that you 'assume' you can handle both of them. Yet, my experience has taught me that assumption of superiority often results in 'underestimation' your adversaries. This, in turn, may result in your demise, and that of your girlfriend.

Another thought. In your story you show remorse because 4 gang members attacked you guys and you had to permanently disable one. My thought is... why? Why feel remorse? I've dealt with plenty of criminals and i can tell you right now, you should not feel remorse. Those who wish to do harm to others do not fall into the same field of consideration than those who are brought to a situation where they must, or can, do harm. I.e., a criminal (or in this case, the gang members) would have taken their first opportunity to make you and your friend permanently disabled... or dead, so why feel remorse that you may have caused them permanent injury... when it was they who not merely provoked, but as well struck first?

Essentially, you show mercy to those who are willing, or capable of, showing mercy to you. In all other cases, it is a choice on your part... but whatever choice you make, have no regrets.

[Tef]

One thing i would do is realize, my girlfriend may not be a black belt or even a MA, but anyone can kick someone in the groin. Eurocentrically, It may be gentlemenly to send the woman to safety, but i'd rather my girlfriend jump in the fight with key brass knuckes and groin-kicking. I'd rather fight 2 on 2 b/c if they knock me out, they'll completely over power my girlfriend. If its 2 on 2, she can deliver some pain as well.

Moral:

Fights are not a gentlemenly affair. If your girl can scrap, let her fight too.

-and-

teach yur girlfriends some MA. It'll really help to have someone who knows something.

[parkerlineage]

I would calmly have asked the guys to leave as I was walking to my car, because they can't have just materialized in front of me. I would then give my girlfriend anything I had in my pockets (I hate practicing kata/techniques with stuff in my pockets) and tell her to go back inside, tell people in the whatever we were in to look out the window (I want witnesses that I was in danger), and call the police. All the while keeping myself between her and them, and keeping my eyes on them.

Then, I would very calmly face the guy standing in front of me, put my hands up in a friendly gesture (palms out at shoulder height, elbows bent, surrender-ish, you know), and say, "I don't want to fight you."

If that didn't work, I would shoot my left hand into his face from there as I stepped forward with my left foot to knee his groin, then land inside with a downward right elbow to the base of his skull. From there, you better believe I would throw a tornado kick into the other guy's head - he's most likely drunk, and behind me, and wouldn't see it coming. Fight over.

Oh, wait. I forgot. Here's would I would do first: NOT GO TO BARS!

[lordtariel]

Here's would I would do first: NOT GO TO BARS!

Amen to that.

First of all, if the guy was drunk and harrasing, I'd talk to the management of the restraunt to have him escorted out if we couldn't get him to go away on our own. If they weren't taken away by the police, I would seriously be paying attention to my surroundings on the way out.(I've trained myself to make a habit out of being aware of my surroundings at night anyway.) Hopefully noticing them before they were in a threatening range. If I noticed him following me out of the restaraunt, I would try to walk into a building and see if he follows. If it looked like conflict was going to occur, there's a few options I would choose from depending on the specific situation.

1)I'd send my girlfriend ahead to lock herself in the car and call the police or to run back into the restraunt screaming bloody murder all the way.

2)Knowing my girlfriend, she'd probably give him a good dousing of the pepper spray she keeps in her purse.

3)I would be looking for anything I could use as a possible improvised weapon, keep them at a distance and try to talk my way out first.

4)If they were attacking, I would immediatly go for as damaging moves as possible(Throat strike, eye gouge, hard kick to the side of the knee, bar until arm or elbow untill they break or dislocate the shoulder)

6) The car itself is a pretty effective weapon. If we could get in, or just have her get in. we'd probably just hit him with it if he got in the way

[parkerlineage]

2)Knowing my girlfriend, she'd probably give him a good dousing of the pepper spray she keeps in her purse.

That's rad.

[little kicker]

(secnairo 2)personally id go for the big guy first eye gouge him then kick him as hard as i could in the groin then rabbit punch him as he went down if the other guy still woudnt let me go id punch him in the jaw and knee him.then run like hell.thats assuming i dont have any wepons.so do you think it would work?

[karateone]

I'm from the South and we like to fight to protect our pride and our women. I would let him get close, put my foot through his knees and get behind him and choke him out. 2. let him get close, he throws hook punch, shuto to forearm, grab wrist, open hand strike to jaw line with other hand. I hate to talk, I won't back down from anybody!

[Rick_72]

Scenario 1: If someone puts themself between you and your way out, and you have enough time, you turn around and walk back into the establishment you came out of. If I didn't notice them until it was too late, and I'm that close, the first guy's getting as quick a beat down as I can muster, because I know that they other guys going to be coming fast.

If someone's taking away your only way out, and there's multiple enemies, their not there to be talked out of a fight. People's courage grow when they outnumber you 2 to 1. You have to even the equation as quickly as possible.

Scenario 2: As soon as she's pushed into an alley, she's in a fight for her life, and should treat it as such. Anything it takes to change the situation, even deadly force.

[Bushidos_bro]

New guy here again

If I were walking to my car and I noticed that the two men were around still and following. The first thing you should do is trya nd find a public place you can go into and see if they follow. If they do follow then maybe try and call the police.

Now lets say that you are at your car it is dark and the street is bare and the man steps in front of you and your door. I guess the first thing that I would do would have to be take a knee out. I am a black belt but in a two on one fight always try and take one person out as fast as you can. Take a knee break it if you have to. Gouge a throat or an eye. One thing I tell my brother is that I follow a certain clause when it comes to a fight. and that claus is called the effenicence clause. If you break a knee or a arm then that man will not be able to fight to the best of his ability. I know it may seem dirty but Id ont like to be threated and I hate when people do stuff I dont like to girls that I know. Once you get the one man on the ground push your girl to the side and have her run to a phone...if the other man persists then once again use all you can in a fight. Hit him hard hit him fast but make sure you take him quick as well. Like I said go for eyes throats knees and elbows. If you have to when you have him dazed then go and push him over the car to give you room to get away from him

[dragonwarrior_keltyr]

(senerio 1) Well, I would be "the girlfriend". I'd assume my boyfriend, being the guy he is would try to reason with the other guys. He's not overly agreesive so I could bet on him dissuading the situation. If they were really looking for a fight he would be ready. But, knowing my protectiveness, I would destroy his manly pride by pushing him out of the way and having a go at the guys myself

(senario 2) If I had my purse my pocket knife would be in hand and I would use it - if possible, depending on whether or not I realized the threat of the guys behind me. If not, I would play helpless and then strike fast and hard. Mostly I would use the element of surprise. Then I would run. As much as I have gotten better at MA, I know that it is unlikely that I can beat two such guys.