Which is more effective, Ground n' Pound or Submission?

[McNerny]

Hey everyone,

I just was curious as to what you all feel is more effective in the ring, the ground n' pound strategy or the forced tapout with a lock or a choke. I have seen them both work often, I just would like to know which you all feel works best.

Thanks

[parkerlineage]

I'm not going to vote yet, because I don't know exactly to what you refer. "Ground and Pound" as in knock them down and beat on them from on top, or from standing, or something else? And in what context do you mean "in the ring?" Like, tourney sparring, or some other kind?

My initial reflex would be to vote for both - submission, then drop 'em and stomp/kick from standing...but that's just the Kenpo in me.

Peace;

Parkerlineage

[McNerny]

Hey parkerlineage,

By ground n' pound I mean from the position where the "pounder" is either mounted on the guy or kneeling next to him. I was refering to NHB events such as the UFC when I said "in the ring". I apologize for the lack of specification.

[parkerlineage]

In that case, beat 'em. You can't lock up somebody that has the will to fight back, and what better way to kill that will than beating the fight from them?

Thanks for the clarification.

[y2_sub]

Take them to the ground and then lock or choke them was always one of my favorites . However , beeting the hell out of them first is essential

[ItalianMuayThai]

id say for the average untrained person, ground and pound, but with trained fighters, i dont know the tables could turned

[Fat Donkey]

As a long time MA guy and new BJJ guy I gotta say submit. 1) It's very hard to ground and pound an experienced ground fighter, 2) It's tiring 3) U have to have positioning before u can G&P 4) In a self defense situation u can end up seriously hurting and or killing someone whilst if u submit them then u can decide what to do to them. and finally alot of people will submit quickly, but take a hell of a pounding.

[Armbar]

GnP, all the way. Something I heard that's always stuck with me is if you tap a guy out, he feels alright about it. But if you pound on them, its more tramatic and they won't forget it.

[SubGrappler]

I think its hard to say which is "better" since both approaches to combat have been rather successful.

In my eyes:

Pros of G&P:

1. Easily applicable- you dont need great ground skills in order to ground and pound and there is no need to pass the guard to attain a better position.

2. Its harder for your opponent to escape from the bottom position of guard than say cross side or full mount.

3. Time limits mean that finishing the fight is not neccessary with G&P- constantly pounding your opponent until the match ends isnt a bad way to win a fight.

Pros of the Submission Game

1. Fighters are always a threat, regardless of how late into the match they are. It could be argued that as fighters tire, they'll lose power on their punches.

2. Its hard to knock someone out from inside the guard, even if they're inexperienced, because of the amount of control they can have if they decide to simply hold you.

3. Some guys have chins made of granite making them exceptionally difficult to knock out- no one is "submission proof" though.

4. Passing through the heirarchy of positions gives the attacker more options as he gets better positions.

5. Submissions can be used against any opponent from virtually any position- G&P can only be used from the top position.

[y2_sub]

GnP, all the way. Something I heard that's always stuck with me is if you tap a guy out, he feels alright about it. But if you pound on them, its more tramatic and they won't forget it.

Man .. your goal is to beat him not to take care about what he thinks .. beat your opponent and he will never forget about it , belive me ..

I totally agree with Fat Donkey's post