self defense for preachers

[KempoTiger]

there has been a string of robberies, and violence agianst preachers in my city.

these idiots are walking right up in churches and starting fights, and robbing the whole church at gun point.

i was thinking about starting a self defense class for preachers , and also helping churches organize a security force from within the chuech.

any comments would be helpful, as well as criticism

I'd say go for it...but honestly this would probably make me go to church more...I've been looking for an excuse

[CagedWarrior]

Just a quick something to think about- there is no self defense when you're at gunpoint, really. Carry ten bucks in a separate pocket to give the losers.

[TSDforChrist]

God in the Old Testament is no different than God in the New Testament. Period. (Take it from someone whose major is theology, haha). Turning the other cheek was talking about response to insult, not attack (seriously, guys, a slap??). It is in no way unbiblical or unchristian to defend onself or others, and one fo the big things about Jesus dying was WILLING sacrifice for our sins - yes, he could have gotten out of the situation, or fought back - but the fact that he did not, and was killed though he was undeserving is a major part of it. Oh, and to the comment about the writings of Jesus' followers, well, either all the bible is true or none of it is true (self containted statement, see 2 Timothy 3:16), and Jesus was one of three things: He claimed to be God, so he was either a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord. There's really not another option, with such a bold claim. Personally, I beleive the latter . Anyone wishing to enage in any further discussion is more than welcome to bring it up on here, or PM me.

In Christ,

Phil Stewart

[ShotokanKid]

Just a quick something to think about- there is no self defense when you're at gunpoint, really. Carry ten bucks in a separate pocket to give the losers.

Yes, carry a "muggers wallet"

Good point, CagedWorrior.

[elbows_and_knees]

God in the Old Testament is no different than God in the New Testament. Period. (Take it from someone whose major is theology, haha). Turning the other cheek was talking about response to insult, not attack (seriously, guys, a slap??). It is in no way unbiblical or unchristian to defend onself or others, and one fo the big things about Jesus dying was WILLING sacrifice for our sins - yes, he could have gotten out of the situation, or fought back - but the fact that he did not, and was killed though he was undeserving is a major part of it. Oh, and to the comment about the writings of Jesus' followers, well, either all the bible is true or none of it is true (self containted statement, see 2 Timothy 3:16), and Jesus was one of three things: He claimed to be God, so he was either a liar, a lunatic, or the Lord. There's really not another option, with such a bold claim. Personally, I beleive the latter . Anyone wishing to enage in any further discussion is more than welcome to bring it up on here, or PM me.

In Christ,

Phil Stewart

bingo.