kenpo4life Posted January 21, 2003 Posted January 21, 2003 Tiger From a scientific standpoint, it takes the brain 5 or so minutes without oxygen before the damage starts. If someone wont tap to a choke put him out. If he doesnt tap to a lock, let it go. You know that you could have busted him up bad. Go to the next sub. It is not about him not tapping. It is about you learning more stuff. If my survival means your total destruction, then so be it.
Jabroni Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 I saw this one match once where this guy was in the guilotine lock, and he was punching his opponents ribs trying to get out of it, somewhere along the line he changed his punches for taps but the guy didnt realise and kept applying it. The ref had to like prise them apart with major force!!! still not sure if I find it funny or not! lol "I didn't lose!!! I just ran out of time to figure out how to beat him."(Thai-Kick-Jitsu, Blue Belt)
Kirves Posted January 22, 2003 Posted January 22, 2003 From a scientific standpoint, it takes the brain 5 or so minutes without oxygen before the damage starts. You make a very common mistake. That (usually 4-5 min) figure comes from person not breathing, which is totally different than blood flow to brain being cut off. A person can stand minutes without breathing because he has several litres of blood already in his system. The oxygen he has in the blood will last for minutes. But whoops, when you cut off blood from circulating to his brain, all that oxygen already in his system is cut off from accessing the brain. Brain damage comes a lot faster that way.
kenpo4life Posted February 2, 2003 Posted February 2, 2003 That is right Kirves, forgot about that. If my survival means your total destruction, then so be it.
LOILOI44 Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 What are the martial arts schools of today teaching? I do sort of understand 360's concern. She is very young. What I don't understand is all the encouragement of the concept of choking a classmate to the point of unconsciousness. Is this person our mortal enemy who we want to disable? This is a classmate. Will they learn anything from losing consciousness? I would learn something...not to go back to that school. I'm gald 360 questioned what to do. Would it be the end of the world if she let the poor kid go? She has him choked and he is turning colors. It sounds like she applied the technique properly. I really want to know where was her teacher through this. Does he think it's ok for young kids to choke each other out? Does anybody else see a problem with this?
Kirves Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 (edited) Does anybody else see a problem with this? I do. The kid should be taught when to tap. And the one choking him, well, let the ego go and the kid too. If the kid's stupid, it doesn't concern you. Safety is #1. I do recognize the need and place for training when a choke will be held to the end. But that is only for adults who have agreed to such rules beforehand. Some NHB or military training may have such sessions. Usually they have expert referees who have been educated on the safety issues and they know when to break up the participants and know advanced CPR. That is not the case when one instructor is leading a class full of common people sparring each other at the same time. Edited February 3, 2003 by Kirves
monkeygirl Posted February 3, 2003 Posted February 3, 2003 There's a difference between having difficulty breathing and not breathing at all. When you can't get any oxygen, you risk brain damage. Which means that next time, they DEFINITELY won't be tapping. It's your responsibility to let go...you hold their life and well-being in your hands! If you have a lot of people refusing to tap and they're obvioulsly being choked, ask your instructor to give a talk about the importance of admitting loss. It's just as important for your body as it is for your mind. 1st dan & Asst. Instructor TKD 2000-2003No matter the tune...if you can rock it, rock it hard.
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