Combat Martial Art

[Hapkidodude]

What makes an art a combat art? Is it the art? Is it the attitude you train with? Or is it a little bit of both? We hear alot of labels put on arts these days. I am sure that most people consider the martial art that they are training a combat art. I know that I do. I train in Hapkido and Jeet Kune Do and consider these to be for combat. What do you guys think?

 

 

[spinninggumby]

I would think that what makes an art combative or not does not necessarily depend on the determined or proven effectiveness, but the overall intent of the art/style/ and/or school. If the overall intent of the style or the techniques is for practical application and use on the street, I would say that it is combative. Usually some of the instructors will say 'Our main and only focus is self-defense, our techniques are practical and will work on the street, we do not practice or teach any fancy maneuvers or high-kicking, etc. etc. etc.' but that's just a generalization there But yea anyways just my opinion haha

 

When I think of combative arts I think of wing chun (even though there may be some traditional or somewhat impractical techniques taught for the sake of passing the art down, but for the most part it's pretty much geared towards street use), muay thai (training for the ring but also geared towards street-friendly type fighting), brazilian jujitsu (just in case for some odd and inexplicable reason u end up on the ground ), escrima, silat, and many Southeast Asian styles (?? my knowledge in this area is very limited haha) and many special forces combat classes which may teach a mixture of many different arts.

 

Boxing (American boxing?? don't know official term), I think, is an incredibly effective supplement to any serious self-defense enthusiast's repertoire if it weren't for the obvious 'sport' aspect with no kicking and no hitting below the belt and all all those other illegal techniques which make life worth living.

 

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[ This Message was edited by: spinninggumby on 2002-03-02 11:43 ]

[YODA]

Is it just me?

 

I find the notion that arts are "combative" or not a very strange one.

 

Martial arts. ....... Martial Arts.

 

At the end of the day it's training method that dictates combative effectiveness, not the art. ALL martial arts can & should be capable of being combative by definition.

 

If your art is not "martial" then call it something else. I've seen sevaral classes in my area that would be better called "Medieval oriental re-enactment" or something similar. I'm not saying this is a bad thing - each to his own. But call it what it is.

 

On a similar theme. I was talking to a student of ours yesterday that had got in trouble at his Tae Kwon do class because during the "self defence" portion of their class, they where defending against a choke and he responded by kicking to the groin, then taking a step back and firing off a fast head kick. He got into trouble because they are not supposed to strike during "self defence" training. WTF!!!!!!! So we have a TKD class, who's BIG strength is that they can kick VERY well, and they have to rely on fancy wrist reversals and half-baked locks for "self defence"????? I know a Thai Boxing club that does a similar thing. Muay Thai self defence should be based on Muay Thai - is that such a strange notion? Guy tried to grab - you slam a leg kick into his thigh and knee him into the nearest shrubbery!

 

Enough rambling for now - got an important appointment with a leg press machine and 350kg of iron. Be back later on wobbly legs

 

 

 

 

[Shaolin]

On 2002-03-03 09:54, YODA wrote:

 

Medieval oriental re-enactment

 

YODA,

 

Although I am much more traditional, I think, than you, I must say that was really funny! LMAO

 

Jim

 

 

[Joecooke007]

O.k. combat arts. If you were in a street fight which art would you really want to know at that time? That's probably a combat art.

 

 

[kicker]

well Combative Martial Arts are Combative. They should be at least Well the Martial art itself i think, is what makes it have infront COMBATIVE Martial Art. So for me i think it is about the art which makes it a like that but all people have different opinions though

 

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[ This Message was edited by: kicker on 2002-03-06 19:07 ]

[AnonymousOne]

On 2002-03-03 16:50, kicker wrote:

 

well Combative Martial Arts are Combative. They should be Well the Art i think what make it have infront COMBATIVE Martial

 

Arts so for me i think it is about hte art which makes it like that but all people have different opinions

 

Hmmmm Any good MA is combatitive, it all goes back to the students ability to apply what is taught in a real life situation

 

 

[YODA]

On 2002-03-03 16:50, kicker wrote:

 

well Combative Martial Arts are Combative. They should be Well the Art i think what make it have infront COMBATIVE Martial

 

Arts so for me i think it is about hte art which makes it like that but all people have different opinions

 

......is it just me or does that makes no sense whatsoever?

 

 

[KickChick]

Yes .... I believe all Martial Arts are "Conbatitive" (martial meaning combat) ... but each style does have different objectives too I do believe and each individual studies for different personal reasons.

 

Tae kwon do is a combat sport. It uses only bare hands and feet, no weaponry, to fend off attackers. Due to its numerous unique kicks, each with many variations, many people call TKD the "kicking martial art."

 

"Karate ni Sen te Nashi" is a favorite saying of Funakoshi. It means "In Karate there is no first hand." TKD is based on the same principle and is a defensive art. The practitioner does not attack unless being attacked. If an opponent does not pose a threat, the practitioner does not attack, and, once a threat is neutralized, the attack stops.

 

Yes there is a certain degree of combat in all styles ... and also there are advanced combat techniques that are also developed too. When I hear "Combat Martial Art" ... (at least to me) I picture those guys in the Panther Prod. ads with their cammies on ....full contact. Krav Maga, Russian Arts, Ninja, Navy Seals, JKD streetfighting etc. etc.....There is no holdsbarred very brutal streetfighting ...hand to hand, head butting, pulverizing takedowns.

 

Self-defense is not just using defenses and counter attacks against attackers. It is the ability to prevent injury to oneself or others from attackers. This includes learning to fall safely, to communicate with aggressors, and to escape from violent situations. Self-defense is not just concerned with physically dealing with violence, it is mostly concerned with avoiding becoming a victim of violence.

 

Many of the styles have more practical value than combat I believe.... but in this forum "combat" is the subject at hand.

 

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[ This Message was edited by: KickChick on 2002-03-04 06:11 ]

[Tobias_Reece]

Talking about Karate Ni Sen te Nashi....

 

I was teaching Kobudo to a 2nd dan in TKD (I cant remember which association, but I think it was the more sparring orientated one), when I said

 

"Just step back into a guard position to get ready. Its a bit like karate wher there is no first attack"

 

At which point the instructor said "Pardon"

 

I repeated myself.....and repeated myself again...and again

 

He stood there bemused, then said :

 

"Oh well, in our style we believe to attack first. I thought thats how every martial art worked."

 

I'm sure this is just his style, KickChick. Am I right?

 

Now I know that someone is probably gunna post - "First attack is right BLAH BLAH BLAH Karate Ni Sen Te Nashi is stupid BLAH BLAH BLAH"

 

But anyway - I'm off

 

C ya

 

Tobias