Training Methodology

[UseoForce]

Like I said, moderation . Full contact is the only way you should train, but you need some of it.

[Aodhan]

but the experience of full contact is a necessary part of training....

I like some of the "iron man" suits. Not really good for grappling some joint locks, since the pads are way too thick, but they are really good for being able to hit someone full strength or be hit full strength.

There is a HUGE difference between hitting someone hard in sparring, and laying an elbow or shin across the midsection with everything you've got.

Last time I did that, I was able to move a 195 lb man backwards 5 feet with a whippish style round kick from in close.

Aodhan

[Muaythaiboxer]

what i think the pro full contact people are trying to say is not that full contact is the only way but that some forms of training should never be done for instance light contact sparing (tap sparing) it makes it so you pull your techniques and lose power. if all you do it tap spar then you will not be able to use it full contact because you are conditioned to kick soft.

Edited June 29, 2005 by Muaythaiboxer

[Adonis]

I see what you mean useoforce you have a good point also.

Mauythaiboxer, well said about tap fighting.

[elbows_and_knees]

Secondly - just saying becuase youve never practiced it how do you know it works - there are ways of practicing even moves like a throat grab on equipment - just about grip, impulse and follow through.

in the words of bruce lee, "boards no hit back"

Sure, you can practice full force on equipment, but there is a big difference in trying to hit a certain spot on a stationary bag and trying to hit the throat of your movig, resistant opponent who not only doesn't want to get hit, but wants to tear your head off.

[elbows_and_knees]

Just ot point out - people say how can you know a move is effective... well im pretty sure that a knifehand to the throat is effective.... i dont need to try it to no.

^This is where theory comes into play. Sure, a knifehand to the throat will work. But you don't know how to time it, how to set it up, etc. because you aren't using it in practice.

[elbows_and_knees]

Practicing full resistance is pointless. Why? Quite simply that in the street I would not give you a chance to resist me if I tried to throw you; I would strike you first, poke you in the eye, use BAR etc.

A lot of people think that, but then they find out that it's not so easy... theory vs application.

[Adonis]

elbows and knees has just ko'ed the correct.

People say they can do this or that but in application its diffrent. I met martial artist who SOUNDED like they knew what they were talking about it. I had high hopes of working out with them. Then when I did those expectations of them didn't match there skill level because they couldn't in application apply the theory's they proclaimed.

Yeah common sense a knife hand to the throat will be bad news for the person if it lands with force but actually doing that or getting there is a diffrent story.

Don't get me wrong I don't suggest going full contact with a knife hand to the throat but either applying it full contact to the chest so it wouldn't hurt the opponent as bad or controlling it so you don't stirkethe throat but inch or two in front of it and the other person defends or resits it.

You can do eye gouges also and have the opponent were some type of saftey googles.

Either way it goes back to this thread is about. Training methods. turning theory into application is the point of it. as apposed to having blind faith in theory with out supporting evidence to justify it.

[Sam]

I dont know why you're making counterpoints to what im saying - we're generally in agreement.... i agree that full contact is a very good and very necessary part of training..... you miss the idea of theory regarding knifehand.... i can practice other similar strikes in a full contact environment, personally i wouldnt choose to use it in full contact any way.... i was just trying ot give an example - there is no real substitute for ful lcontact training.

Edited June 28, 2005 by Sam

[Adonis]

okay