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Not even counter attack, but they do use pressure points, joint locks and anything that can hold you down. Its really annoying because they hold you down until you calm down (thats the whole point) but I just got more and more angry being held down like that and just pretty much went limp.

If it was life threatining the practitioner could break a limp if he/she really had to.

"Time is what we want most, but what we use worst"

William Penn

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