pcam16 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Hi i currently do shotokan karate but i also practice freestlye forms with flashy kicks, flips etc. I was just wondering would i get disqualified if i entered a TKD patterns competition and did this style of form? Please visit http://philcampbellxma.co.uk and join our forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicks Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 If the tournament is advertised as an OPEN tournament (all styles accepted), then you can do whatever patter you want. If you compete in sparring, make sure you know the rules of competition ahead of time and prctise by them. If the tournament is not open, then find out from the sponsors what patters are accepted. Ask the sponsor if you's will either be disqualified or get low scores because it's not within the scope of the tournament guidelines. when you create the world's largest trailer park, you're going to have tornadoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aefibird Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 The best thing to do would be to ask the orgainsers before you enter to make sure that you would be allowed to perform the "flashy" forms or whether you would have to stick to traditional ones. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalRage Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 even if you get in, sometimes the politics behind style will get you in last place. To clarify, what I mean is that if you go in there with a karate uniform and patches on, start flying and jumping in the air better than the TKDers, theyre gonna fail you just out of sheer politics because they can't show a karate guy placing above tkders. I've seen TKDers have to dress up in kung fu attire to attend their tournaments because if they go into the forms/sparring with their doboks on, the judges magically don't see as well...Those are examples. Every style does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slydermv Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 even if you get in, sometimes the politics behind style will get you in last place. To clarify, what I mean is that if you go in there with a karate uniform and patches on, start flying and jumping in the air better than the TKDers, theyre gonna fail you just out of sheer politics because they can't show a karate guy placing above tkders. I've seen TKDers have to dress up in kung fu attire to attend their tournaments because if they go into the forms/sparring with their doboks on, the judges magically don't see as well...Those are examples. Every style does it.I've seen this first hand. A friend of mine, a brown belt in Issin Ryu Karate did one of the wickedest forms I've ever seen... in an open tourney, held by a TKD school. No one even came close to his intensity, and he didn't even medal. I'd use caution.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicks Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 I attend a WTF TKD school and every year we host an Open tournament, but spar under WTF rules. However, you can do any style form. Last year, in the 14 - 17 year old division (of about 10) there were 3 competitors who knew Kung Fu forms. Two did a Kung Fu form and the other guy did a WTF form. The guy who did the WTF form didn't place. The 2 who did their Kung Fu forms placed first and second. So it all depends how honest the judges are. Best advice given is to check it out throughly before paying your entry fee. when you create the world's largest trailer park, you're going to have tornadoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalRage Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 I agree, it depends on the judges/hosts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseP Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 If the tournament is advertised as an OPEN tournament (all styles accepted), then you can do whatever patter you want. ...Uhmmm, not at the tournaments I've judged at for the last 13 years or so...Open just means that you don't have to be invited...The Forms competition can be Open, Traditional, etc...If the forms competition is Open, then the Xtreme MA gymnastics poodo is permitted.If it is traditional, you risk being torpedoed in your scores by doing a form with flips etc. (Many Judges, myself included, take very seriously the "Traditional" heading for Traditional Forms competition).When judging Open competition, I don't give backflips, etc. any higher score. I judge the form strictly on its martial content. If it has it despite the flips, then it gets a higher score,... if not then low score...Same for weapons forms,... I once saw a guy doing a Sai form, and holding them wrong like Jen Garner in Elektra (index and middle fingers straddling the shaft of the Sai)... I gave him a 6...You need to be congnizant that there are still "Old-timers" like me and others out there who don't care how acrobatic a form is... we want to see martial arts technique in the form, stances, proper alignment, kick control, snap, etc. If we don't see it, but see a gymnastics routine,... we'll shut you down, no matter how entertaining it is. Master Jason Powlette5th Dan, Tang Soo Do--Tang Soo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Patterns are okay, just ask, it's eother yes or no.Sparring is where it's at thou, its more fun too. "Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to go to his class." Choi, Hong Hi ITF Founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Yeah - the actual execution of the moves is far more important than the move itself - corrent technique not technical difficulty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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