Samurai Shotokan Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I think Heian Shodan is the most important to learn because it has all the basics in it but i will get people who disagree with me on this. I know all kata's have different fundementals in them but which one do you think helps you in everything ?? 28 movies, 50 years Godzilla is King of the Monsters"nothing like a good workout" Paul Pheonix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauzin Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 The one your sensei is teaching you at the moment. If you are looking for what kata is the most broadly applicable or best all around I think this is going to be highly subjective. Really in any traditional kata you can find more than enough to do what you will need to do in a fight. It's really just a question of how you want to peel the apple. There's a million different ways, and they all peel the same apple. The only two things that stand between an effective art and one that isn't are a tradition to draw knowledge from and the mind to practice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenadier Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 They are all important, but the most important ones are the first ones that you learn, such as the Taikyoku series, etc. These first stepping basic kata are the ones that the more advanced ones are built upon, and are also great fall-back forms when you need to go back to the basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted T. Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Heinan shodan has no reverse punch in it, so I woudln't rate it.Each style has a signature kata for that style - work up to learning it. Ted TruscottThe Raising Canes Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granmasterchen Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 hmmmmmmm, this may make you think a bit more....all the heian/pinan katas were recently found to be derived from one very very very long kata....long name that i can't remember off the top of my head....anyway, some great instructor, possibly funakashi-san broke the forms up to be learned in segments easier.......actually i dont think it was funakashi, he just switched the order around, originally after the breaking into 5 forms, heian 2 was the first of the heians...and heian 1 was actually the second...anyway the point is that all five of those katas originally derived from one, long kata, so if you take the combination of all five of those forms, and take the original, I may say that that original kata was very very vital to learning basic techniques, combos, applications and breathing.....just think...all five were one....apparently the tekkis/nihanchis were as well. That which does not destroy me will only make me stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinTai Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 (edited) I would have to agree that all kata are important as each teaches different principles.anyway, some great instructor, possibly funakashi-san broke the forms up to be learned in segments easier.......actually i dont think it was funakashi, he just switched the order around, originally after the breaking into 5 forms, heian 2 was the first of the heians...and heian 1 was actually the second...anyway the point is that all five of those katas originally derived from one, long kata, so if you take the combination of all five of those forms, and take the original, I may say that that original kata was very very vital to learning basic techniques, combos, applications and breathing.....just think...all five were one....apparently the tekkis/nihanchis were as well.If my memory serves me it was Itosu that developed the Heians for the school system, hence the term "school boy karate".I belive he took pieces of other kata, Kusanku, Passai etc. and broke them dowm into simpler combinations so that it was easier to learn.As to the question posted.I tend to favor Sanchin and Naihanchi.I can't remember which Uechi instructor said it but the comment was:"All is in Sanchin"And Mutobu felt that Naihanchi contained all that was needed to survive a confrontation, if you mastered it of course. Edited May 13, 2005 by NinTai Too early in the morning? Get up and train.Cold and wet outside? Go train.Tired? Weary of the whole journey and longing just for a moment to stop and rest? Train. ~ Dave Lowry Why do we fall, sir? So that we may learn how to pick ourselves back up. ~ Alfred Pennyworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousOne Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 The most important Kata to practise is the one that is the most difficult for you to do 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.A.L Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 it's hard to choose one but if i have to then i go with one of the Sanchin katas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousOne Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Sanchin has some benefits but it doesnt provide all round fighting skills like other Kata and neither does it develop fast twitch muscular development 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkerlineage Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I'm asuming we're all talking about the species of kata here, so I'm going to throw in a random new one, here.If you had to chose a single AK kata to learn, it would be Long Form 4. That said, I say that the most important kata is: all of them. He who cannot do Short Form 2 should not touch Long Form 6 (for those of you who don't know, I'm comparing 7th Kyu to 2nd Dan). If you can't do your basics, you can't do your advanced material, end of story. I hate it when high ranks say: "It's been so long since I've done the basics, I don't even know if I can remember them."If you can't even remember them, you need to stop what you're doing and re-remember them. Period.Peace;Parkerlineage American Kenpo Karate- First Degree Black Belt"He who hesitates, meditates in a horizontal position."Ed Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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