mental tendancies and training of the MMA/UFCer

[TJS]

So you feel the average joe who goes to a san soo class two times a week is going to beat a pressional NHB fighter?

[Dark Shogun]

15 rounds in a boxing ring would require a high level of endurance, however, a street fight will not go for 15 or even 1 round. So all that endurance is more useful in the ring and less useful in the street.

That said I wouldn't want to take on a pro MMA fighter or a skilled TMA fighter on the street. I'll stick to fighting untrained schmuks thanks.

[usatkdwtf]

IMO...nobody is more prepared for a "real" situation than a MMA/UFC etc. fighter. The "sports" look pretty real to me...and I highly doubt anybody throwing stones toward a MMA training for a competitive fight, would say anything of the sort in their presence.

Because they are beter conditioned, better trained to take blows, and just more hardcore and brutal than those not training for a competitive fight.

I mean really...what MArtist worrys about a "real fight"....not the

competitive MMA...I guarantee that.

They train to destroy top of the line tough , skilled fighters...who cares about joe across town wanting to take you on...it seems to me TMA worry about those things a lot more because they never get to test their strength- physicaly/mentally, or their abilities, in a hardcore enviornment like MMA cage fighting.

It seems NOT training MMA leaves a lot more questons to ones ability than training in it.

I dont think MMA competitive fighters worry about a "real fight" at all.

But getting back to my original point...most eople dnt worry about a "real fight" ever.

most people have no clue how to fight and dont really care. The focus on "fighting" definetly stems from mental issues most society doesnt have. ....but maby that doesnt really matter....I just dont see how most people can walk around being ok with possibly having their butt kicked at any time.

[SevenStar]

Second...every fighter that fights in the UFC is a TMA. Its either boxing, BJJ, Muai Thai that they use, and all of these techniques come from martial arts. Martial arts does not stop being martial arts just because a bunch of guys want to fight each other. yeah its called "sport MA" but actually its the trust test of the MA without going to jail. While all of the styles I listed above are considered "sport", the techniques are pretty universal as far as striking. Its all fighting, its all Martial arts. Lets face it,UFC is not a bar fight between 2 drunks...all of them have trained in some form of sport or traditional MA or activity that uses MA. Even american wrestling has Judo tech.

technically, no, they are not. they are all modern styles that have their roots in TMA.

judo - not a classical koryu style. It is a modern offshoot of jujutsu.

bjj - modern offshoot of jujutsu.

muay thai - derivative of older muay - muay chaiya, muay lon lon, krabbi krabbong, etc.

These arts are DEFINITELY martial in nature, but by definition are not traditional.

With that said;

how many of you on this board ACTUALLY think you may be in a MMA ring one day for a promoted fight? Do you know for sure you have the cohonas or are you just going to find out through training?

I fight. I compete in judo, thai boxing and will soon start competing in both mma and boxing.

What is your training schedule like

and what MA besides BJJ,boxing, Muai thai, do you use in your training?

I've posted a few routines on the thai boxing forum and on the health forum. Also, if you're interested, I have a running blog on another forum I post on:

http://martial.best.vwh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36295

there are several guys keeping blogs there, and two or three of them fight.

do you have mental issues or are you prone to violence?

I know I want to do it because I want to be the best, which will never actually be, theres always someone better. Its the journey that keeps me going, because its never fully attained.

just make sure that you want to be the best that YOU can be, don't worry about being the best that people perceive you to be.

But im sure wanting to be the best/toughest, fighter/man stems from something not quite normal.

I doubt it. being competitive is normal in males of all species. Humans are competitive in different things, some of us prefer to be competitive in MA.

[SevenStar]

15 rounds in a boxing ring would require a high level of endurance, however, a street fight will not go for 15 or even 1 round. So all that endurance is more useful in the ring and less useful in the street.

That said I wouldn't want to take on a pro MMA fighter or a skilled TMA fighter on the street. I'll stick to fighting untrained schmuks thanks.

wrong. people always downplay endurance in the street because streetfights are shorter. While that is true, you have to look at the true nature of adrenaline. People know that it enhances you, but they are under the false impression that it will enhance you for the whole fight - that's not true. It saps you completely, and it does so very quickly. that's why a quick, 30 second fight can seem like it lasted for several minutes.

Also, what if you have to run?

[SevenStar]

But getting back to my original point...most eople dnt worry about a "real fight" ever.

most people have no clue how to fight and dont really care. The focus on "fighting" definetly stems from mental issues most society doesnt have. ....but maby that doesnt really matter....I just dont see how most people can walk around being ok with possibly having their butt kicked at any time.

everybody thinks about fighting at some point in time. But, you have to look at it realistically from the point of view of the person in question. Let's say I'm a big shot lawyer. I COULD find time to train, but considering that the chances are that I will NEVER be attacked anyway, then my time would be better spent becoming the best lawyer I can be.

I have a saying - TMA guys train for a possibility, MMA guys train for an inevitability. I KNOW I'll fight again, because I compete. A non-competitor does not have that guarantee. Given that the chances are likely that you will never be attacked anyway, whether you train or not does not really matter in the grand scheme of most people's lives, which is why it is okay to walk around with the possibility that you mentioned.

Not only that, but it can happen to anyone. Tito Ortiz ws in a barfight, got blindsided and knocked out a few years ago. Anything is possible. MA training only aims to give you a better chance of survival - it's not a guarantee.

[SevenStar]

You know, MA is not only skin deep. From the way you speak you seem to not comprehend this. For one, "too deadly" is only one reason out of many that some arts don't compete. The main reason I justify my art and the reason we don't spare with it is psychology. If all you do is train for the next tournament/cage fight, you will NEVER become the best fighter you can be. You are teaching yourself restraint and failure to strike vital areas, and most importantly being very shallow in the mental part of combat. Sure, you might be able to protect yourself on the street, but not nearly as effective as an average San Soo practitoner can. It's not the technique that is most deadly, but the knowledge, mindset, and the deception that is practiced and utilized... Even Sun Tzu would agree with me, read the Art of War. In my opinion Sport MA is the shallow way to learn the art of self-defense. (Even Cage Fighting...)

I agree with your first two sentences, but completely disagree with the rest. I think he does have a jaded outlook on MA. However, I disagree with your assertion that sport guys are limiting themselves by practicing restraint, when you in essence do the same thing. If you are not breaking those bones in every practice, you are restraining. If you are not hitting full contact and power when you strike, you are restraining.

That sword is very double edged. On one side, you've got the MMA who knows how to deal with adrenaline, is calm under stressful circumstances, knows how to deal with an attacker, but may not know what some may consider a "more efficient" way of ending a fight (I put it in quotes because I think that's crap, but that's beyone the point of this post) On the other hand you have the san soo guy who knows the right points to strike, knows how to end the fight "more efficiently" has the skill, but due to lack of experience dealing with unfriendly people in an unfriendly environment, doesn't know how to deal with adrenaline, may crumble under stress, etc. Just as ortiz was jumped (as I mentioned above), I've also seen many TMA get mauled in the street. Such is life.

[SevenStar]

Primarly focusing on just trying to hurt people somehow makes it harder to be a nice guy with manners and respect. I mean, I am, and do have those things...but not as much as I once did.

No, it doesn't. How old are you?

[Treebranch]

So you feel the average joe who goes to a san soo class two times a week is going to beat a pressional NHB fighter?

I would say the depending on many factors such as weight, conditioning, environment, what the context of the atlercation is. The outcome cannot be as easily predicted as you think. 5 times a week for 10 years? Or when my teacher Master Dave Carter was in his younger years, a Vietnam Veteran, Champ Boxer in the Marines and an 8th degree BB in San Soo I think with his extensive street experience would have faired very well when there were less rules in UFC, yes.

If you haven't taken a close look at San Soo and studied it for what it is designed for you won't understand or respect it. That goes for most MA's. They train pretty hard and do lots of Randori. It again really depends on how you train.

[shotokanwarrior]

I think that some assume that a fight in the street will start with both fighters in their stances and fists up and ready to go, like in a UFC type of event and in a mma fight you pretty know who you are fighting and know there are rules. I am pretty sure that a mma person can defend him self most of the time on the street. Now lets say there is a guy who knows a little bit of fighting and Frank shamrock is putting gas into his car, this less trained figher can come out of nowhere from behind, jump on shamrocks back and rear choke him before he knows what happened.

That can happen to anyone, no matter what skills you have