usatkdwtf Posted May 5, 2005 Posted May 5, 2005 I want to first put out some of my opinions on MMA/UFC.First...if your a TMA, dont make any excuses as to why you "cant" or "wont be able to" fight in a MMAFight. I mean seriously...if the only thing your art has is eye gouges and biteing...Im sure it does not. Theres no TMA thats too "deadly" the fact is that very few people are the kind that can actually go to the cage and fight .If your not one just admit it and theres no shame in that. That just means your normal, most of these guys have serious mental issues or are just a little crazy. Second...every fighter that fights in the UFC is a TMA. Its either boxing, BJJ, Muai Thai that they use, and all of these techniques come from martial arts. Martial arts does not stop being martial arts just because a bunch of guys want to fight each other. yeah its called "sport MA" but actually its the trust test of the MA without going to jail. While all of the styles I listed above are considered "sport", the techniques are pretty universal as far as striking. Its all fighting, its all Martial arts. Lets face it,UFC is not a bar fight between 2 drunks...all of them have trained in some form of sport or traditional MA or activity that uses MA. Even american wrestling has Judo tech. With that said;how many of you on this board ACTUALLY think you may be in a MMA ring one day for a promoted fight? Do you know for sure you have the cohonas or are you just going to find out through training?What is your training schedule likeand what MA besides BJJ,boxing, Muai thai, do you use in your training? do you have mental issues or are you prone to violence?I know I want to do it because I want to be the best, which will never actually be, theres always someone better. Its the journey that keeps me going, because its never fully attained. But im sure wanting to be the best/toughest, fighter/man stems from something not quite normal. Its not the art, its the artist.
Northren Ogre Posted May 5, 2005 Posted May 5, 2005 I have competed in full contact San Shou, so going into a MMA fight isn't too much of a step up. I have been in more than my share of fights and I have an adrenaline addiction, as well I sort of enjoy banging it out. If this qualifies me as having "mental issues", then I guess I have them. I think that it's just a mindset that some people have, like the type A personality.As for what training I use, would be a San Shou/BJJ mixture http://prkickboxing.tripod.com
Muaythaiboxer Posted May 5, 2005 Posted May 5, 2005 lol you and me have got to spar some time you sound just like me. i to want to be the best and i have the mind set that no matter what someday i will be champion. i curently train 20hrs a week 5hrs TKD 4hrs Judo2hrs kung fu2hrs Boxing2hrs Muay thai5+hrs running/training at home10hrs Wrestling (during season)i would like to train more but i just dont have the time. Fist visible Strike invisible
TJS Posted May 5, 2005 Posted May 5, 2005 BJJ 2-3 times a weekboxing/Thai Boxing 2-3 times a weekCardio/lifting twice a week.want to do some more judo training aswell.hoping to fight mma in the not too distant future.im not mentally deranged or anything. I dont get in fight but im not afraid of gettig hit and I know what it takes to win.
Chaz Posted May 5, 2005 Posted May 5, 2005 You know, MA is not only skin deep. From the way you speak you seem to not comprehend this. For one, "too deadly" is only one reason out of many that some arts don't compete. The main reason I justify my art and the reason we don't spare with it is psychology. If all you do is train for the next tournament/cage fight, you will NEVER become the best fighter you can be. You are teaching yourself restraint and failure to strike vital areas, and most importantly being very shallow in the mental part of combat. Sure, you might be able to protect yourself on the street, but not nearly as effective as an average San Soo practitoner can. It's not the technique that is most deadly, but the knowledge, mindset, and the deception that is practiced and utilized... Even Sun Tzu would agree with me, read the Art of War. In my opinion Sport MA is the shallow way to learn the art of self-defense. (Even Cage Fighting...) "One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say." - Will Durant
usatkdwtf Posted May 5, 2005 Author Posted May 5, 2005 hey, thanks for the responses. Im going to flow into the training within the next year. Its A LOT of training you guys do. You really have to train like a "professional" fighter, from what it seems.Chaz: I dont think that training for MMA matches hinders you from being the best fighter you cab be. However, the deeper I get into wanting to become better and better at the physical, I notice the mental benefits of MA trying to flee away in some sense.Primarly focusing on just trying to hurt people somehow makes it harder to be a nice guy with manners and respect. I mean, I am, and do have those things...but not as much as I once did. Its not the art, its the artist.
Gumbi Posted May 5, 2005 Posted May 5, 2005 For not being the best they can be, some of those MMA fighters are really tearing some things up.These people practice theoretical deadly techniques and best the best they can be, but are nothing more than warm up matches for a practical/mixed fighter.
TJS Posted May 5, 2005 Posted May 5, 2005 Sure, you might be able to protect yourself on the street, but not nearly as effective as an average San Soo practitoner can. Just so we are clear you feel the avergae San Soo practicioner is better prepared for a fight in the street than someone actively training, sparring, and conditioning themselves for a mma fight?
Muaythaiboxer Posted May 6, 2005 Posted May 6, 2005 san soo is a very effective martial art but i really dought that the average san soo guy could beat a pro MMA fighter. mabe the really great san soo guys (like the master who killed japans karate champ in 2 minutes in WW2) but not the average guy. plus you say that its the mind set, you have to be really tough to go 15 rounds in professonal boxing and even tougher to do MMA so how can you say that the MMA fighter has an inferrior mind set? Fist visible Strike invisible
Treebranch Posted May 6, 2005 Posted May 6, 2005 san soo is a very effective martial art but i really dought that the average san soo guy could beat a pro MMA fighter. mabe the really great san soo guys (like the master who killed japans karate champ in 2 minutes in WW2) but not the average guy. plus you say that its the mind set, you have to be really tough to go 15 rounds in professonal boxing and even tougher to do MMA so how can you say that the MMA fighter has an inferrior mind set?I think MMA fighters are tough and good at what they do, but it's not preparing them for real situations, it prepares them for their sport and how to win. San Soo is about real life situations and using finishing moves right away. It's not the same philosophy or sportsmanship that you see in the ring. A pro fighter is a pro fighter and they live to fight and train. Most of them win their fights in a controlled environment and strength and conditioning is what mostly becomes the deciding factor. If you have to rely of being the fastest and the strongest to defeat someone then their is something inherently flawed with that system of fighting. MMA's are great athletes and a few are very highly skilled but most of them without the use of steriods and the motivation of money are nothing more than brawlers. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
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