Bretty101 Posted March 15, 2002 Posted March 15, 2002 On 2002-03-15 03:07, taezee wrote: ...man am i tired of hearing that from people who dont know...wanna know about plumbing speak to a plumber..wanna know about electric talk to an electrician ..wanna know about kicking?? talk to a taekwondo stylist!!! thats us..kicks r us..and we make our kicks work!!! any one saying different doesnt know jack about taekwondo!!!!.... Just the man! Can you help us with my twist kick Can't for the life of me do it. Dispite being able to do splits. Need a different stretch but don't know which one. Cheers! Bretty
KickChick Posted March 15, 2002 Posted March 15, 2002 Hey Bretty ... I will try and help you out .... (although I am not "the man") :pony: refer to "Twist Kick help!" in Korean Forum
Black Dragon Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 Its an old thread but a good history lesson So recognize or be hospitalized Cuz literally on a scale from one to ten I'm 25.
NyteShades Posted August 13, 2003 Posted August 13, 2003 Kick Chick... Not to pick a fight or anything but what is your source? Everything I have ever read about the history of TKD is that it was actually created in 1955. However it was based on 2 or 3 ancient Korean arts as well as Japenese Karate. The Karate influence is the resulted in the formation of the ITF and WTF. ITF being traditional based training, while WTF is more sport oriented. Nyteshades
Sens55 Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Our instructor (Moo Duk Kwan) likes to point out that many of the techniques are actually Okinawan and Chinese in origin but that with the advent of the TKD the "Reformists" (his words, not mine) wanted to attempt to eliminate such references, much of it do to apparent long-standing prejudices (especially towards the Japanese). They never truly succeeded and many books reference this lineage, but many attempt to make it appear the TKD is a truly "Korean" MA. He feels a lot of this was as much for their national psyche and esteem as anything. Again, I'm not he's 100% accurate, but I can see elements of truth in it. He points out that many of the old MDK forms made by Hwang Kee are actually VERY simliar to some Karate forms (the Haeons I believe) and that many of the elbow strikes, inside kicks and hand techniques (which we do teach) are very similar to some Kung Fu techniques.
AnonymousCoward Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 Yes, I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree. Taekwon-Do is heavily based on Shotokan Karate rather than ancient Korean arts. My understanding is that General Choi studied Shotokan to Nidan (2nd Dan level) after leaving Korea and even taught Karate to his captors whilst awaiting execution by the Japanese. One of my instructors trained in Shotokan Karate for many years and said that some of the techniques in the hyung are taken directly from Karate, sometimes in the wrong order. It is also based on Korean Tae Kyon which was taught to General Choi by his Caligraphy teacher when he was younger because he was getting bullied. There's also some southern Kung Fu influence which you can spot if you're into bunkai (don't know the Korean word for it). I wouldn't say that Taekwon-Do was 2000 years old... more like 50... However, it's lineage is. Back to the question of unused techniques, then I would agree that most Taekwon-Do schools do not teach the advanced techniques in the patterns to lower grades and totally miss out the conditioning too, avoiding the makiwara, finger toughening box and sometimes the heavy bag. It is my understanding that hyungs are designed to train a movement and not techniques and that each move in a hyung has multiple applications - striking / blocking, throwing, restraint or pressure point attacks. So I think that to change the existing 24 / 25 patterns of Taekwon-Do and call your art Taekwon-Do is unforgivable.
battousai16 Posted August 15, 2003 Posted August 15, 2003 well, i take an ancient korean martial art, and can see the similarities to tae kwon do as well. so... i don't konw, i guess i'm just not seeing your point. no disrespect, i just don't know where you're going with that. "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
Sens55 Posted August 16, 2003 Posted August 16, 2003 Of course there are elements of older Korean styles in it as well. When they could, they attempted to use what they could from Tae Kyon. I don't think anyone would say that TKD is a Korean knock off of Karate. It's just that some in TKD attempt to make it out as a totally "Korean" style, when that, in my opinion, is not true. It has a lot of blended styles in it, and there's no shame in that.
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