omitting basics for advanced students !??

[jaymac]

You should never stop doing your basics. You should practice all you have learned often. That is if you are serious about your training and stepping into the dojo on a weekly basis. If you don't then that white belt who is trying so hard will end up setting a better example doing basic techniques than the Black Belt who isnt practicing at all.

[Jiffy]

Consider the last time you practised your handwritting or practised the basics of driving. For most of us, we haven't done it in years. That doesn't mean we can't write or drive.

The problem comes when you consider, what are they after, practicality or a full understanding and ability to demonstrate the entire art? If they are after the ability to use the art, well we all know that no-one uses the entire art in reality, but on the other hand, if they are trying to gain a full understanding of the art, then they need to continue a practise of the full art, and usually, the only way to do this is with basics.

It all depends on the goal.

[elbows_and_knees]

Consider the last time you practised your handwritting or practised the basics of driving. For most of us, we haven't done it in years. That doesn't mean we can't write or drive.

The problem comes when you consider, what are they after, practicality or a full understanding and ability to demonstrate the entire art? If they are after the ability to use the art, well we all know that no-one uses the entire art in reality, but on the other hand, if they are trying to gain a full understanding of the art, then they need to continue a practise of the full art, and usually, the only way to do this is with basics.

It all depends on the goal.

umm... you are practicing those basics every time you write and drive. Also, those are VERY different animals. use closer ones - how often does a basketball team train basics? a football team? a soccer team? They work them all the time. Why? because a running back has to have the plays ingrained in him. He has to know which routes to run and exactly how many yards he should be out before he cuts. these are things that cannot be preacticed enough.

when you fight/compete/spar what is typically used? basics. those are your bread and butter and cannot be worked enough.

[KyokushinFX]

It depends on your objective and type of basic training of that particular style. If your goal is performing beautiful Kata then traditional basic karate training such as Kihon, Ido Keiko seen in Shotokan and Kyokushin is a great choice. Also, I think it is very good for kids in developing coordination, balance and strength.

If you want to to focus on fighting than these type of basic only take you that far. At my old school, we don't really train traditional karate kihon after yellow belt. Shadow boxing, bag work, mitt work, sparring and conditioning are eventually our basic training. Don't forget that you only have a limited amount of time to train and therefore have to make the most out of it.

[elbows_and_knees]

IMO, that's still basic training. whether I front kick / reverse punch in a kata or frount kick / right cross while shadowboxing or on a bag, I am still drilling basics, just in a different manner. I think the issue here is that some of you are referring to basics as precticing the same basic kata or standing in a horse stance and punching. This is not so. basics can be trained in a number of ways.

[Meguro]

IMO, that's still basic training. whether I front kick / reverse punch in a kata or frount kick / right cross while shadowboxing or on a bag, I am still drilling basics, just in a different manner. I think the issue here is that some of you are referring to basics as precticing the same basic kata or standing in a horse stance and punching. This is not so. basics can be trained in a number of ways.

So now this becomes an argument about semantics?

[parkerlineage]

One would assume that a high ranking person would practice their basics on their own, so if that assumption was correct, I would see no problem with that. As long as the person was still practicing basics on their own at other times.

But if you can't do basics, you can't do anything.

[jaymac]

When I go to the dojo, there is a mixture of ranks present. If I am setting the example and practicing basic movements and basic Kata instead of hanging out and waiting for class to begin, then the white belt who is trying to find someone to follow will pick up extra technique or a movement they may have been doing incorrectly. Plus I am working my own technique. I practice all my kata from white on up for myself personally, and there is rarely a time that another student doesn't come up to me and say "Sensei could you do that again, or I didn't know that, would you help me with this." The best way to improve in training is to practice and teach.

[Anbu Alex]

are not the advance techs based on the Kihon (basics) of any style

[elbows_and_knees]

are not the advance techs based on the Kihon (basics) of any style

that wouldn't make them the same technique. I use a hook kick when I fight. If I practice a jump spinning hook kick, that's really not helping me with my application and timing of my hook kick.