IDEAL KUNG FU STYLE

[MAVERICK]

Hey,i just want to know which style of kung fu i shold take up with my thai boxing.muay thai is great but its too attached to the basics and i want somthing that is .........er flashy/flambouent, BUT AFFECTIVE it should contain the following(and i dont want san shou)

 

-complex parries

 

-advance kicks

 

-good for street lif

 

..well i guess all i want is to be challanged again, plz help, and if u dont know what i do,could u tell me which one has more of these qualities wing chun or hung gar.thanx alot

[spinninggumby]

Most advanced kicks are not very practical in a street fight, and usually the most effective ones are also the most simple (i.e. front snap kick to balls). Modern wushu is very showy but not practical. IMHO if showy, fancy, and challenging movements are what you are interested in, you should look no further than demonstration tkd, acrobatic karate, capoeira, or modern wushu. Otherwise you can still challenge yourself thru hard workouts and conditioning with practical streetfighting techniques (more in the area of perhaps Wing Chun, bjj, muay thai, etc.) but they will not be showy nor fancy (I think that's just the way it goes). The ultimate in fancy kung fu perhaps would be modern wushu, the ultimate in practical kung fu, would, well I'm not sure but I would assume something like Wing Chun or sanshou or jkd (not really kung fu but definitely heavily influenced by wing chun roots as it developed into an ideology/style/whatever by Bruce Lee).

 

Even if you have the speed, accuracy, precision, and power to execute a well-timed spinning hook kick at will with cold muscles in any situation, your regular hook kick or snap kick will be even faster, so if your life is on the line, why not go with the simpler technique that has a smaller room for error. No matter how good you are, your simple tactics will always be speedier and stronger in proportion to your fancy ones. So i guess I'm trying to say that fancy and practical are kind of contradictory toward each other LOL so maybe I would recommend training both for style and for application while at the same time realizing the merit of each movement you practice.

 

:smile:

 

 

[spinninggumby]

Most advanced kicks are not very practical in a street fight, and usually the most effective ones are also the most simple (i.e. front snap kick to balls). Modern wushu is very showy but not practical. IMHO if showy, fancy, and challenging movements are what you are interested in, you should look no further than demonstration tkd, acrobatic karate, capoeira, or modern wushu. Otherwise you can still challenge yourself thru hard workouts and conditioning with practical streetfighting techniques (more in the area of perhaps Wing Chun, bjj, muay thai, etc.) but they will not be showy nor fancy (I think that's just the way it goes). The ultimate in fancy kung fu perhaps would be modern wushu, the ultimate in practical kung fu, would, well I'm not sure but I would assume something like Wing Chun or sanshou or jkd (not really kung fu but definitely heavily influenced by wing chun roots as it developed into an ideology/style/whatever by Bruce Lee).

 

Even if you have the speed, accuracy, precision, and power to execute a well-timed spinning hook kick at will with cold muscles in any situation, your regular hook kick or snap kick will be even faster, so if your life is on the line, why not go with the simpler technique that has a smaller room for error. No matter how good you are, your simple tactics will always be speedier and stronger in proportion to your fancy ones. So i guess I'm trying to say that fancy and practical are kind of contradictory toward each other LOL so maybe I would recommend training both for style and for application while at the same time realizing the merit of each movement you practice.

 

:smile:

 

 

[Bon]

::edit:: Edited September 29, 2002 by Bon

[Aikidoka]

While wing chun ain't flashy you will find that they're is plenty to challenge and interest you. Interupted footwork, sticking hands and legs, developing flowing techniques, trapping, centreline and gate theory and learning 3 empty hand, one wooden dummy and two weapons forms are things you can look forward to at advanced levels. The parries are simple and fast but can be weaved into complex combinations to trap your opponents limbs to give you a window of attack. The kicks are low and fast and used to break up your opponent's footwork and intercept their kicks. Plus, wing chun is one of the most effective styles of kung fu.

 

[ This Message was edited by: Aikidoka on 2002-02-18 12:44 ]

[MAVERICK]

ok,i just want to know what do u think i should do, either muay thai or wing chun. u see for some reason i get into alot of fights(seriously)i know how everyone says muay thai is so good and stuuf,im doing it and it doesnt seem that way to me, while in wing chun they have sticky hands and feet,gate theory(whatever all that means) trapping and all that stuff, while in muay thai they tell u to just do the thingsthat are basic,and so boring . i know "the basics are always the best" but i think that u could manufacter the other moves to work well.well hit me bak

[ad]

if you want something flashy, go down to the ballerina quaters down tkd lane

 

in my opinoin i would say muay thai is probably more effective, but its not that interesting, so you should basically choose wing chun, because you want to do a martial art which is not only effective but you enjoy it aswell

 

 

[Bon]

Kung fu takes longer to learn..

 

After about a year, I think muay thai would come out on top of kung fu. But, after 10 years, I think kung fu would come out on top.. plus, you can train well past 50 in kung fu.

 

 

[OxygenAsh]

I began practicing Wing Chun after 4 years of boxing (regular, no kicks), a year of shotokan karate and two years of capoeira. My reason? WC is many times more practical and fun to train in.

 

The general problem with martial arts imo, is that fighters are usually trained to circle around one another, waiting for an opening. In realistic conditions, however, the fight begins with a sudden attack and progresses very fast and violently, making most of the MA training virtually useless.

 

In WC, you are taught to engage in a fight without any prior warmup and fancy stance. Instead of running around your opponent, u go in along the shortest course, block his initial attempt at stopping u with the punch(s) and either hammer the ******* in the face with extremily fast and powerful chain-punches or twist his hands/break knee/sweep his sorry ass.

 

Wing Chun doesn't have any fancy high kicks, but u do get to learn a very fancy-looking handwork. Trust me, when ppl see it, they get impressed

 

_________________

 

The blade is only silent until it cuts through your flesh.

 

[ This Message was edited by: OxygenAsh on 2002-02-19 13:29 ]

[ad]

ill get my black belt, God whilling, in kung fu and kickboxing when i am 16, then i will try to progress into tkd and wing chung, then hopefully wushu and finally capioera, hoping to get a black belt in all of them