joint lock application

[ninjanurse]

Joint locks are used for control...and if you have to break bones to control then so be it.

[TKDguy]

Yes joint lock is very effective, I do Hapkido which is almost like Aikido, Hapdido has a lot of throws sweeps and joint applications, 99% of actual street fights end up close quarters or on the ground so yes it is...

Andrew

[brawler1245]

i agree that joint locks are EXTREALY affective but as my Instructor tells me The art gives u the basics expand on them and apply

[taiji fajin]

This thread wasn't so much "are they effective," it was more, "How do you practice them?" Examples:

We stand and face each other.

We do them stationary, then move on to set moving patterns with them.

We do them stationary, then move on to set moving patterns with them, then we do random moving patterns with them, then we freestyle with them.

We practice locking out one joint, then once we are good enough at that, we practice getting the next, then the next, etc, until it is a whole body lock (ie, you do a wrist lock, and slowly learn how to lock and control their whole body with that wrist lock).

How do you guys practice?

It was also about, do you practice them to be used to break bones, or to control a person?

And, do you train counters?

Is the way you practice how you would use it? (NOT "yes, I will use a joint lock." That doesn't answer the question)

[brawler1245]

Well first we learn the basics. Then we evolve from that (freestyle) We work on all grips (lepel, sholder, sleve, elbow, wrist, ext.) We sometime get into parterners and pracrice freestlye applications.

[ranger1100ky]

When you think of a joint lock being done in a real fight, do you think it (on average) would be used to break bones, end the fight, etc, or do you think it would more be used to cause pain (and yes, possibly break bones or something else) but more importantly to set up whoever you are fighting so you can strike him? Do you practice it in the way you feel you would most likely use it?

How do you train dynamic joint locking?

Do you train joint locking counters?

If I was to be in a real street fight, I don't want to be close enough to have to do joint locks. However, if I am forced, I will use a joint lock with enough force to disable the joint. My goal is the minimum application of force that will allow me to retreat from the situation.

We train joint locks with progressive techniques, starting with single wrist grab releases, going up to 6 and 7 move release/counter/lock type sequences.

Referring the inebriated person in the other post, my favorite saying to people that hear I'm a BB and say "Boy, bet you think you're tough" is to respond "Well, it really doesn't matter how tough I think I am, what matters is how tough YOU think I am."

Aodhan

I LIKE that!

I think a Gracie put it best...

He said sure, he had a black belt... and it covered only 2 inches of his backside... HE was responsible for covering the rest of it.

And I tend to agree... if it comes to confrontation... I'd rather not be close enough to be grabbing them and joint locking them...

I'd rather waylay em and show them my best fighting stance, then pivot on the balls of my feet while bringing my hands to my sides in chamber... and then show them how well I can sprint for greener pastures.

Fighting's for the birds.

[Sam]

Hey - i thought id posted this.

About training for joint locks.....

Trianing wehre the opponent keeps coming may work, as it allows better simulation of someone attacking you, rather than just a single technique, and alos means that you wont be dealing with the smae order of attacks, and therefore learn to position yourself better for the restraint / lock, etc.