In Sparring Or A fight...

[kicker]

For you what the most important part of your body that you do not want to be hit in???

 

For me It would be the Nose And Eyes Or close to them. That I protect the most since I wouldn't want a broken nose or a bad eye or eyes

 

 

[Bon]

::edit:: Edited September 29, 2002 by Bon

[AnonymousOne]

The whole body. Getting hit is humiliating. Train so that no one can touch you!

 

Impossible?

 

Naaa takes years of intense training

 

Think about the vast difference in skill between a good 1st Dan to a beginner and then the vast difference between a 5th Dan and an untrained person.

 

An untrained person cannot get near a 5th Dan

 

[ This Message was edited by: AnonymousOne on 2002-02-18 00:21 ]

[Angus]

Not in agreement Anondude...

 

5th dans don't have eyes in the back of their heads and some people are just natural fighters.

 

Hell, i got smacked up the other day by two guys that probably didn't have any training and i'm close enough to equivalent 2nd/3rd dan in freestyle kickboxing... i say that based purely on the amount of time i've spent training in the martial arts...

 

Angus

 

 

[Jack]

Head and groin, followed by knees.

[Phantasmatic]

I would have to agree with Angus

 

 

[AnonymousOne]

Theres no such thing as a natutal fighter, they are either trained or untrained.

 

But I am talking about a good traditional Japanese school trained Karate-Ka.

 

Of course I know there are alot of very poor schools that produce very poor students and this is regrettable. They poor schools give the public a false idea of real Karate

 

Some people may be aggressive etc but that doesnt make them a good fighter. Training and intense training is the only key to developing skills. Look at top class boxers training programmes, they are intense. No one can win without intense training. Look at the Special Forces in the Armies of the world, they must be intensely trained. No one has a natural ability to run a marathon in 2 hours and 5 minutes or so, it takes intense training.

 

I would place my money on a trained man anyday. When I was in Japan for a year in 1982 I met tiny little guys that were but 5 feet tall that were nothing but outright lethal. My own teacher who is now 9th Dan is a scrawny little dude and very slim and I would hate to see what happened to any 'natural' fighter that would be stupid enough to attack him.

 

It is well known, when you study it, that Bruce Lee was pretty average at martial arts in his formitive days, but when he started his intense training and study he developed himself in an incredible way.

 

The human body can only move at certain speeds and exert certain forces of destructive power but with intense training they can eventually punch at 65 feet per second and exert tremendous destructive power as well as develop super fast eye body co-ordination, timing, balance and endurance, all the key factors needed for competant skills.

 

Over all these years I have seen many many guys come to the Dojo who claim to be great fighters only to be humiliated by guys/gals who are far smaller and less aggressive. They never stay long.

 

I think woman are an excellent example of what training will do. They are naturally less aggressive and not a strong as men but with training they become very competant.

 

I have met some pretty tough dudes in my time. Big, mean, aggresive and not one would I place my money on against a trained person.

 

But as I said, it does depend on the extent of training and the way one is trained. Our school is pretty brutal in its training and other schools like Gojuryu and Shotokan (the ones down here anyway) really train you hard. But some people cant hack this and go off to schools that arent really bonefide who train under teachers who tickle their ears rather than train them in the way that is needed. Its these students that get flattened in a street fight and conclude the martial arts dont work. This is cause for severe regret.

 

[ This Message was edited by: AnonymousOne on 2002-02-18 11:59 ]

[spinninggumby]

True. I am sure that such intense training would greatly enhance the odds of somebody overcoming an attacker in the vast majority of all conflict-based situations.

 

However, like Angus said, no amount of hard training will give you eyes in the back of your head despite so-called claims of a 'sixth sense' and the ability to sense who and what is going on around you (although there is some truth and credibility to refining and heightening your level of awareness). Intense training will get you very far, so far that you could pummel 99% of all street thugs in any fair fight. But in real life there is no such thing as a fair fight. If someone wants to beat the crap out of you, he won't care if he has to grab 10 of his drinking buddies and take you down from behind, or even put a bullet in your back of your head from 100 yards away late at night when you are not looking. It is my assumption that there is no real technique to defend against that, even if you are preparing for your 15th Dan test and you train even when you are sleeping. You will never be untouchable. There is no such thing as long as you are human. Room for error, no matter how marginal, is still room for error.

 

 

[AnonymousOne]

In my country you only have to worry about knives and such like. Having a gun here is near impossible. Even the Police dont carry them (accept for a special few).

 

I agree defense against a gun is not good odds nor is some weapons that can be thrown from a distance, but I wasnt talking about weapons at all, never mentioned that.

 

I was assuming a one on one weaponless fight.

 

I have been involved in training our Special Army Forces (SAS) here in support of my Sensei 9th Dan. Hand to hand and self defence against weapons is part of what we teach them. Their needs in training is critical and they dont play games when they attack!

 

I have had many of them start playing games when we use wooden knives for safety reasons . So the only solution is to put them in their place by bringing out a real knive and ask them to attack you with full force. Then you reverse the role by attacking them with a real knife. They soon get serious.

 

I am very confident in my skills at dealing with weapons but as for a gun, never blocked a bullet myself hehe. The only solution is to get close and get them off guard. If they fire the gun from a distance you have no chance.

 

 

[Cory Reynolds]

Something that never fails to amaze me is how often an untrained yellow belt can surprise the crap out of a black belt (name a dan, any dan) simply because of the fact that they are untrained. They won't do what you might see an expert fighter to do because they don't fight like an expert. That doesn't mean that they can't fight though, and often they'll do something that you'd never expect. One of the many reasons why an untrained fighter could beat an expert. Nobody is invincible and no matter how good you are, there is always someone who's better.