Judo

[seersin]

heh,thanks ^^^ however personally,I have no problem calling someone sensei in a respectful way,but being a christian,I'm not calling anyone master.It's when people have to be called such higher titles that get to me.

[ovine king]

As far as the title master is concerned, dogs have masters, people have instructors. Whats wrong with me checking my ego at the door for 2 hours and calling someone by a special title? Well, whats wrong with them checking their ego and saying "just call me Jimbo"

read this again.

sensei simply means teacher (or something approximate.... the langauges don't relate very well) and 'master' is something that the western world introduced to the martial arts world.

in it's use in the context o the native languge, sensei and sifu is simply the same as the use of sir or professor or doctor or chef or chief engineer or whatever other work/proffesional title.

sensei/sifu does not mean master.

you are associating the misuse of the term and equating to the style.

it is no different to people here seeing disrespectful posts made by a lot of BJJ guys and equating it to all BJJ guys being disrespectful.

why do some people call their doctor by that title?

why do some people call their coach by that title?

why do some people call the head chef by that title?

simple answer; because that's what they are.

sensei/sifu ONLY means teacher (or perhaps 'someone who is skilled in the thing that they can teach').

inferiority complex?

so does that automatically mean that the guy who refuses to bow, even if it isn't in the same context as western bowing, has a massive superiority complex?

and once again, what does this have to do with the thing that they are teaching?

i'll end this how i ended my last post here.

would karate (or any other 'traditional' art) be instantly better if it removed it's traditionl customs?

would bjj be instantly worse if it instilled some of the japanese traditional customs?

[Mr Pockets]

No, I'm not comparing EVERY formal class with the one I was in, I'm just using it as an example of what we informal guys are against.

[ovine king]

and you don't think that the schools who aren't so obsessively formal are against the extreme behaviour found in those classes either?

don't generalise.

for the record, i've never been in a traditional martial art school that goes anywhere near the examples of extremity that you mention. on the other hand, i've been to a boxing gym that was run, at times, like military.

i don't generalise by saying that all boxing gyms shout at you, swear at you, hit/slap you hard when you don't reach the target reps etc etc, so extend the same courtesy.