Goju_boi Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Hey I have a qustion for all of the wing chun/wing tsun/ving tzun/etc people.I take Karate at my school but they also offer W.C. and I really want to take it so we went there on one of the nights it's offered. But when the instructor told us about it i was surprised because it was $150 for five weeks(that was with discount since i take karate there) it came with the uniform and some books.Then if u like it u can sign up for more(but long term contract).After that time is over u can only stay if the sifu see's u know your stuff and he want's u to continue(and another long term contract).THEN after that the grandmaster has to evaluate u for instructoship and discipleship.And all of this comes with all thesebooks they even give u books on how to open your own school and how to operate it.Wut I'm asking is do u think its worth it?Because the guy who instructed the instructor is Benny Meng who appears in Kung Fu/tai chi and Sifu Mengs instructor is Garret Gee.And I guess I can be sure they know each other cuz Ive seen pics of them together and he is listed at their website.ohh and the style is Hung fa yi wing chun kung fu , i havent heard about it too much so yeah I'm not sure if i should invest my time and money in that? my school https://www.samuraimartialsports.com and the organization https://www.hungfayi.com https://www.samuraimartialsports.com for your source of Karate,Kobudo,Aikido,And Kung-Fu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaegen Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Damn that's expensive. I wouldn't do it. I pay 25-30 euro a month for Wing Tsun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvwingchun Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 Hung Fa Yi is a great system of Wing Chun, very precise and technical. But it sounds to me like they are using NAPMA business principles to make money. In short that is charging you for everything under the sun and lots of contracts. Which I don't necessarily agree with. I would get to one of the HFY seminars and see if it is for you, if so then sign up. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goju_boi Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 Hung Fa Yi is a great system of Wing Chun, very precise and technical. But it sounds to me like they are using NAPMA business principles to make money. In short that is charging you for everything under the sun and lots of contracts. Which I don't necessarily agree with. I would get to one of the HFY seminars and see if it is for you, if so then sign up.what do u mean by NAPMA business principles?Also to clear things up a bit it gets cheaper once u decide to join for a longer period of time.If after u take the 5 week course and u decide to join the rates are like this for a 6 month contract its $88,for a 12 month contrat its $78,for a 24 month contract its $73.Then if the sifu decides that u are qualified enough to continue the art theres a 36 month contract for $88 a month.And classes are only 2 times a week except for the people in the 36 month contract,they get 3 times a week. https://www.samuraimartialsports.com for your source of Karate,Kobudo,Aikido,And Kung-Fu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvwingchun Posted March 28, 2005 Share Posted March 28, 2005 This is how NAPMA suggests that their member schools market to you the "consumer". They have contracts that lock you in to paying whether you are there or not with each contract being a little longer and a little cheaper. Obviously the prices are not that bad it is how they go about it that I do not agree with. I was once associated with a school that was a NAPMA member and this is exactly what they suggested I am not saying that this school is, it may be pure coincidence. I personally do not feel the need to have a student sign a contract. My students aren't consumers or clients they are students I feel no need to lock them into contracts to keep them. You stated up front it was too expensive for the first month of lessons, another thing typical of NAPMA style marketing they charge you a large registration fee when you could buy what they are selling (a uniform and "some" books) for a quarter of the price. Now you are now saying it isn't that bad with the contracts and you are right there but you will be locked in for that duration if you quit. If they truly believe what they are teaching and selling a good "product", which HFY is, there is no need for contracts the students will stay. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goju_boi Posted March 28, 2005 Author Share Posted March 28, 2005 This is how NAPMA suggests that their member schools market to you the "consumer". They have contracts that lock you in to paying whether you are there or not with each contract being a little longer and a little cheaper. Obviously the prices are not that bad it is how they go about it that I do not agree with. I was once associated with a school that was a NAPMA member and this is exactly what they suggested I am not saying that this school is, it may be pure coincidence. I personally do not feel the need to have a student sign a contract. My students aren't consumers or clients they are students I feel no need to lock them into contracts to keep them. You stated up front it was too expensive for the first month of lessons, another thing typical of NAPMA style marketing they charge you a large registration fee when you could buy what they are selling (a uniform and "some" books) for a quarter of the price. Now you are now saying it isn't that bad with the contracts and you are right there but you will be locked in for that duration if you quit. If they truly believe what they are teaching and selling a good "product", which HFY is, there is no need for contracts the students will stay.true,I guess youre right.That was how my old Mcdojo treated the students,they made us sign up for 6 months but after that u either had to sign a 3 yr. contract or look else where.I guess I was just impressed by this new schools credentials.I think I'll search for another kwoon, but I'll still take the karate lessons there though. https://www.samuraimartialsports.com for your source of Karate,Kobudo,Aikido,And Kung-Fu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvwingchun Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Don't necessarily discount the HFY because of the pricing. Look into it and if you like it see if you can work something out. There is lots of variety in the WC world so if that is a fir for you. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aefibird Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 You may enjoy training in HFY WC - why not ask if you can have a 'trial' set of lessons at a 'discount'? It might be better for them to reduce their prices just so that you will train, rather than for them to keep with the same price but for you to train elsewhere because it is too expensive.the best thing for you to do would be to have a chat with the Sifu and see what he says. Also, check out other WC schools in the area. You may find that the HFY WC school is the best available to you.Good luck in your search. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goju_boi Posted March 29, 2005 Author Share Posted March 29, 2005 You may enjoy training in HFY WC - why not ask if you can have a 'trial' set of lessons at a 'discount'? It might be better for them to reduce their prices just so that you will train, rather than for them to keep with the same price but for you to train elsewhere because it is too expensive.the best thing for you to do would be to have a chat with the Sifu and see what he says. Also, check out other WC schools in the area. You may find that the HFY WC school is the best available to you.Good luck in your search.They do let me try out a free class and I do receive a discount b/c I take karate there.also there are other W.C. kwoons but this is more conveniant since its there where i take karate and i know it's legit. https://www.samuraimartialsports.com for your source of Karate,Kobudo,Aikido,And Kung-Fu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenzoom Posted March 29, 2005 Share Posted March 29, 2005 Goju_boi wrote:That was how my old Mcdojo treated the students,they made us sign up for 6 months but after that u either had to sign a 3 yr. contract or look else whereWhat the he**!! 3 year contracts!!! I would never sign one of those, never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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