Beer-monster Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 hi guys, I'm back with another bunkai question. I was just wondering if anyone had any practical combat applications for the yama tsuki (mountain punch) technique and the low uchi uke that follow in bassai dai (passai) kata. It just seems in my very humble opinion that punching simulataneously with boths fists high and low, is not conducive or particularly applicable in the scrappy, close-in and hectic environment of an actual fight. Nor does the high block low punch bunaki I've heard I've beeing going over it looking for a thrown or some other takedown in the movement but don't seem to be getting anywhere. Any other bunkai for Bassai would be most appreciated as well and I think would make for a useful thread since the majority of us practise this kata in some form or another Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangSooGuy Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 I've beeing going over it looking for a thrown or some other takedown in the movement but don't seem to be getting anywhere. In my interpretation, you are on the right track.. It is far easier to demonstrate than it is to explain though... Anyway, one possible application comes if you think of the move in terms of wrestling/grappling/ tackling... If you postion one arm across the chest and the other behind a knee, and then execute your turn out of it...it makes a very effective take doen...but as I said, it is very hard to explain without being able to show.... It is only one of many applications, though.... The "double punch" itself can be a throwing technique...it can be a reaching and grabbing technique, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyte Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 This video will clarify what TangSooGuy was trying to explain. http://www.karate.org.yu/video%20files/pasai6.mpg This video contains the bunkai of the Passai kata of Shorin-ryu karate. This kata is not so different than the Shotokan Bassai Dai kata. It also contains the combination yama zuki followed by a low uchi uke. "Practising karate means a lifetime of hard work."~Gichin Funakoshi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gojoinstructor Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Pictures (and videos) really are worth 1000 words. Nice vid Gyte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNewton Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 yeah, that was a nice video, thanks "The wise and successsful will always be met with violent opposition by mediocre minds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G95champ Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Simple your hitting the guy in the groin and face at the same time. I find myself using this move a lot in saprring and usually it works pretty well espically vs younger or lower ranks. Yet another application is you can be grabbing the persons inner leg and side of head. As you pull back you are lifting the leg and pushing the head working a throw on the guy. But again Im a fan of the U punch and use it a lot. (General George S. Patton Jr.) "It's the unconquerable soul of man, and not the nature of the weapon he uses, that ensures victory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathal Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 We've used it as a black and an attack. In one application the top fist is blocking, and the bottom one is an attack. In the second application, the bottom one is blocking a kick, and the top is blocking. .The best victory is when the opponent surrendersof its own accord before there are any actualhostilities...It is best to win without fighting.- Sun-tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer-monster Posted March 22, 2005 Author Share Posted March 22, 2005 We've used it as a black and an attack. In one application the top fist is blocking, and the bottom one is an attack. In the second application, the bottom one is blocking a kick, and the top is blocking.That is the application we learn too, put in the scrappy, close in environment of a real fight I'm not convinced that it would work (especially considering how difficult it is to use standrad blocks in such times)I'm leaning towards the wrestling body-lock application suggested by TSG, and in the video(thanks Gyte) although that takedown seemed a bit higher than the move is executed in the kata. Mind, body and fist. Its all a man truly needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangSooGuy Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 The take down on the video is indeed executed higher on the video than I would have done it, but that's the great thing about application from forms...It can be applied in many different ways, including different levels, and still be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNewton Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 just because something looks like a punch in a kata..it can always be used as a ppalm heel stricke, eye gouge, knifehand, etc.i spearhand to the throat and nads would be brutal in although it appears as the double punch. "The wise and successsful will always be met with violent opposition by mediocre minds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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