Soo Bahk Do Mu Duk Kwan ???

[TSD Y049]

Thanks for setting me straight JaseP, sorry for the misenturpretion (sp?) on my part. Hapkido offers some joint minipulation, you might try that too!

[mattkulma]

Well I have been training in Soo BAhk Do for the past 13 years, if you hae any questons i will gladly answer in i can. Actually we do continue to use the Pyung Ahn's and Naihanji's.

[JaseP]

Well I have been training in Soo BAhk Do for the past 13 years, if you hae any questons i will gladly answer in i can. Actually we do continue to use the Pyung Ahn's and Naihanji's.

That's good...

What about Sip Soo, Jin Do, Kong Sang Koon, Sei Shan, Wong Shu, Jion, and Oh Sip Sa Bo, et al.?

[Akima]

GM Kee translated an ancient korean military manul. It referenced some hand to hand fighting reffered to a "subahk". He began to add those techniques to his style, and changed the name to Soo Bahk Do.

I haven't run into a school that teaches "soo bahk Do" but in all of Kee's writtings and his son's the term is always Trade Marked. Based on GM Kee's books, the only difference I can see is that Soo Bahk Do is the Official style of GM Kee, and you would have pay "royalites" for the name.

[JaseP]

GM Kee translated...

He's not/wasn't GM Kee,... He was GM Hwang,...

Hwang Kee = Hwang [sir-name], Kee [taken name]

His son is Hyun Chul Hwang = Hyun Chul [taken name], Hwang [sir-name]

If his son moved back to Korea, it would be Hwang Hyun Chul...

If GM Hwang ever moved to the US during his life to live,... it would have been Kee Hwang.

Koreans use their sir-name first and their given or taken names (and they not-too-infrequently change their given names at adulthood) second.

Calling him GM Kee is like saying GM Chuck or GM Sarah,... or whatever...

I've only ever seen it printed up as GM Kee one place ever...

Most people know that it's GM Hwang...

And yes, GM Hwang was a control freak of sorts and so copyrighted all his stuff. He wanted to prevent other people from profiting from it (which most experienced TSD/SBD practitioners think is total garbage). Plus,... he had a real bad experience with the Korean court system over the whole Korean Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan issue and TaeKwonDo,... he won eventually, but the battle embittered him.

[Shorin Ryuu]

I took Soo Bahk Do for a year once and it was okay. I liked the fact that the place I trained was run by a Korean who had trained nearly all his life and had trained both Korean and American special forces in unarmed combat before and after moving to the States. His emphasis was primarily on self-defense as we did not do any tournaments or anything like that. And because of a long lecture he gave us one class on health and willpower, I also owe much to him in making my decision that has arguably changed much of my life: giving up junk food completely.

I actually moved (went off to college) so I stopped training there and switched to an Okinawan style (Shorin Ryu) which I feel is more practical. But to be honest, the Soo Bahk Do school was far better than many places (Korean or otherwise) that I have encountered. All the same, I don't regret my decision to change.

I wanted to meet my old instructor again, but I never got around to it. I heard recently that he tragically passed away in a car accident, which was a big shame and a loss.

As I recall, we did use the Pinan (Pyung Ahn) and Naihanchi (Naihanji) forms at that Soo Bahk Do school. I believe they used other Okinawan forms (or derivatives of the Japanese derivatives of them) as well, but to be honest, I do not remember if they did or not.