Lack of Ground Works

[Treebranch]

Rolling techniques of Budo Taijutsu are great for getting up quickly and knowing how control your falls. You can use your falls to counter and regain control or guide the other person to fall where you want them to. In BJJ class when we are doing takedown drills and I lose my balance for one reason or another I go into a roll and I'm up and ready. The teacher doesn't seem to mind and he tells the other students to be mindful of that. There's a way to roll while keeping your eye on the other person through the entire roll. It takes some time to learn it well enough to do it on the street though, but it can be done. I do agree that ground skills are important. The ground being one of the worst case scenarios next to the cheap shot and a rear attack.

[dingyuan]

Sevenstar, which one is the fukien dog boxing, "Di Tang Quan" or is it "Di Shu Quan"?

di shu quan

Thanks man.

Check this out.

"Ditang Quan, or ground tumbling, is said have been developed during the Southern Song dynasty (1129-1279). It was first practiced in the Shandong province from where it spread to other parts of the country over the centuries.

Ditang Quan is heavily influenced by drunken boxing and monkey boxing, from which it has absorbed their tumbles, falls, turns, somersaults and aerial acrobatics, developing a routine of delicate moves and actions. Attacking blows are a major feature of this style. The most distinctive aspect of this style however, is how the attacking blows are hidden in the movements of tumbling, falling, turning and somersaulting. It goes even as far as using tumbles and falls to confuse and mislead the opponent into traps where the Ditang fighter can then launch his own attack, making this a surprising and deadly style. In terms of performances, it is very typical for a Ditang Quan performer to execute in quick succession a series of dangerous moves. On a practical level, Ditang Quan consists of intense fist play with attacks and defenses ingeniously mixed together with difficult, delicate and beautiful actions. "

[Treebranch]

That's very cool. Do people teach that style? Did it get lost?

[dingyuan]

That's very cool. Do people teach that style? Did it get lost?

I do believe they still teach this style but not really sure who and where. Mostly likely you will only find them in China.

[Treebranch]

I think most people would be very surprised to see that what we think is new is actually really old and simply not taught outside the country of the MA's origin. Man has been fighting for thousands of years and the human body has not changed. It would be silly for us to think that there is anything new under the sun when it comes to fighting, especially in a modern civilized society.

[TJS]

It would be silly for us to think that there is anything new under the sun when it comes to fighting,

For the most part yes, but there certainly new ways of doing things still evolving and comming out. I bet they werent doing capoiera kicks and strikes back in japan or rome.

there are also modern close quarter gun defenses that certainly werent around.

[Treebranch]

The use of the gun in close quarters is a modern practice, I'll agree there. Disarming someone with a gun is only a variation of old techniques if not the exact technique for disarming someone with a knife, etc.

What I was referring to is that now we have extremely rapid ways of obtaining information that is unique to our time. So we are able to learn about many things and therefore see the similarities in MA's and the differences as well. With this observation we see that most MA's are variations of other MA's and or mixtures of MA's labeled differently to set them apart from the others. I'm not making a judgement here, just an observation.