YODA Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Hi all I'm having a problem with the difference between these two forward throws... Harai Goshi (Sweeping hip) Yama Arashi (Mountain Storm) The only difference my feeble brain can see is the grip - Harai grips on both sides (right at his left high lapel for right leg throw) Yama grips both at the right sleeve - left at the elbow, right at the high lapel) Can anyone help? Is there a difference in the kuzushi that I'm not seeing? YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
Bon Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 (edited) ::edit:: Edited September 29, 2002 by Bon It takes sacrifice to be the best.There are always two choices, two paths to take. One is easy. And its only reward is that it's easy.
brighthand Posted February 11, 2002 Posted February 11, 2002 Now that you brought it up, good question After a bit of research it appears that they are the same throw, the only thing that seperates them is the grip and their category. One being a hip throw, other being a leg throw. Honoraby yours,Mark EckenrodeaBudokan Martial Arts Communityhttp://www.abudokan.com
YODA Posted February 11, 2002 Author Posted February 11, 2002 Thanks Brighthand - I suspected it was just the grip. The grip does give the Yama Arashi more of a leg throw type angle. YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
Jack Posted February 11, 2002 Posted February 11, 2002 http://judoinfo.com/combine.htm JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
YODA Posted February 11, 2002 Author Posted February 11, 2002 Nice link Jack - I'm very familiar with the website - no help on my question there - no mention of Yama Arashi on that page! YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
Jack Posted February 11, 2002 Posted February 11, 2002 Sorry YODA, I ment to post that reply to a different question you asked, about combinations of throws. Apoligies JackCurrently 'off' from formal MA trainingKarateForums.com
Joecooke007 Posted February 11, 2002 Posted February 11, 2002 Quite the only thing that seperates the two is the grip. Boards don't hit back. -Bruce Lee
YODA Posted February 11, 2002 Author Posted February 11, 2002 I'm still pretty much cinvinced that there must also bee some difference in the Kuzushi - I don't see how I can break balance to the front & upwards like in Harai Goshi when in the Yama Harashi grip. Feels very much like I'm setting up a winding throw - in fact, I've pulled off Yama Arashi from a failed Soto-Makikomi a few times. YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
Dutch Posted April 9, 2002 Posted April 9, 2002 I generally describe Mountain Storm as a high sweeping action with the leg - often at mid-shin to hip-level. Additionally there is little contact between the two players hips during the action. Hari goshi describes a lower sweeping action with the leg, generally striking on the shin. Because the shin is being struck and lifted, it requires greater contact with the hips. Hope that helps some!
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