Centerline theory

[cross]

cinterline is not unique to cma. bjj, judo and thai boxing all have their use of it as well.

 

Out of curiosity, how is it applied in muay thai?

[KungFuMan]

Sevenstar wrote:

 

"centerline is not unique to cma....."

 

Of course not. However, one could argue that all of the styles that you have quoted, can to varying extents trace their rootes to cma.

 

KungFuMan

[cross]

Of course not. However, one could argue that all of the styles that you have quoted, can to varying extents trace their rootes to cma.

 

Because cma is "older" ??

[KungFuMan]

No, not just because cma is "older", but because cma has greatlly inflluenced dozens of MA in South East Asia.

 

Kung Fu Man

[SevenStar]

Of course not. However, one could argue that all of the styles that you have quoted, can to varying extents trace their rootes to cma.

 

KungFuMan

 

doesn't matter. they are very separate entities today. And actually, you can't verifiably link bjj to china. it is from judo, which is from japanese jujutsu - it's said by some to have chinese roots via gempin, but can't be verified. Naturally, the japanese say it is pure japanese. the chinese say otherwise. Who knows... or cares...

[SevenStar]

No, not just because cma is "older", but because cma has greatlly inflluenced dozens of MA in South East Asia.

 

Kung Fu Man

 

this is correct.

[KungFuMan]

They may be "separate entities" today but they are LINKED by a common history/influence and therefore in many ways techniques.

 

Sevenstar wrote:

 

".....It [jujutsu] is said by some that it has chinese roots.....naturally the japanese say it is pure japanese and the chinese say otherwise....."

 

I.E. One can ARGUE that they can trace their rootes to cma's. You are just restating my point.

 

"...Who cares?"

 

I do and anyone else who is researching the martial arts to expand their knowledge.

 

KungFuMan

[ovine king]

nice how you conveniently omitted the part about the possible jujutsu link to china as being unverified....

 

anyway.

 

it being argued doesn't make it fact.

 

the point is,

 

the body naturally has two sides, left and right which is separated right down the middle of your body (why lookie here, a centreline)

 

when you face an opponent you are naturally going to be facing him, probably at his centre (tadaa! central plane).

 

to have an advantage you make sure that while you face his centre, he doesn't face yours (bingo! centreline theory)

 

in fencing the centreline is taken as a key conceptual line and that developed free from chinese martial arts influence.

[KungFuMan]

If POSSIBLE jujutsu link to china are UNVERIFIED then one can still ARGUE that there is a link. If not by anything maybe by the fact that there are what are claimed to be factual accounts of "meetings" between chinese boxers and japanese martial artists before the creation of Jujutsu. These encounters may or may not be factual, but I suppose one can still ARGUE or even DISCUSS the possibility.

 

OvineKing wrote:

 

"anyway. it being argued doesn't make it a fact".

 

That is also true for the other side of the argument as well.

 

KungFuMan

[SevenStar]

If POSSIBLE jujutsu link to china are UNVERIFIED then one can still ARGUE that there is a link. If not by anything maybe by the fact that there are what are claimed to be factual accounts of "meetings" between chinese boxers and japanese martial artists before the creation of Jujutsu. These encounters may or may not be factual, but I suppose one can still ARGUE or even DISCUSS the possibility.

 

this interaction is where kempo originated. Also, similarity can be seen between sumo and shuai chiao - I'd be willing to bet a link can be drawn there. but you can't verify one to jujutsu.