Whats the Difference between Brazilian and Japanese Jujitsu?

[Gumbi]

One who is humble will not display their skill in front of millions simply because they can, or to show up another style.

 

you don't believe that...

 

I certainily hope he doesnt.....

[GhostlySykanRyu]

"now apply that to a traditional guy... strikes, forms, kicks, chin na, qi gong, nei gong, iron palm, iron body, numerous weapons... who's really the jack of all trades here? And of the things listed above, how many can a person TRULY master? The "jack of all trades, master of none" definitely applies to traditional guys as well, but many of them don't realize that. "

 

I'm not saying who the phrase applies to, be it TMA or MMA...I'm saying that the very phrase simply has no place in the martial arts.

 

"the training methods are far less than realistic."

 

How do you consider a fight in the ring more realistic than full contact sparring? Sure, kata and such are less realistic, but still they are helpful.

 

"you don't believe that"

 

Displaying skills in front of millions just because you can...that would be the antithesis of humility.

[SevenStar]

I'm not saying who the phrase applies to, be it TMA or MMA...I'm saying that the very phrase simply has no place in the martial arts.

why don't you think so?

 

 

How do you consider a fight in the ring more realistic than full contact sparring? Sure, kata and such are less realistic, but still they are helpful.

 

actually yes. If for nothing else than intent. I know all of the guys in my class. Even with hard full contact, they don't want to knock my head off. I spar them all the time - no adranaline factor or various other issues. In competition, these are present, and your opponent is someone who is not your friend and who does want to knock your head off.

 

 

Displaying skills in front of millions just because you can...that would be the antithesis of humility.

 

where would the world be if everyone thought that? we would have no singers, no comedians, no sport fighters, no sports in general - no entertainment at all. Do ALL of these people lack humility?

[traz]

where would the world be if everyone thought that? we would have no singers, no comedians, no sport fighters, no sports in general - no entertainment at all. Do ALL of these people lack humility?

 

Entertainers and fighters are different.

 

Basically, the difference is that fighters often need to PROVE that they are good, while entertainers just ARE good, and are sharing their talent.

 

Of course there are exceptions to everything...there are entertainers who desire to prove their prowess, and their are fighters who fight just for the pure love of it, and not to prove anything. But it is my opinion that the point of entertaining is just to entertain, and the point of fighting (in a ring) is to prove you are better. The latter intent does lack some form of humility.

[SevenStar]

Basically, the difference is that fighters often need to PROVE that they are good, while entertainers just ARE good, and are sharing their talent.

 

No they don't. We compete because we like to fight - hence the term fighter. I personally don't care one way or the other what a person thinks of my skill. Every competitor that I know is like that.

 

In addition, he made no distinction at all. He may have wanted to imply that, but he made no distinction.

 

[SevenStar]

Also, prove it to whom? sticking with the example of judo - it's one of the biggest sports in the world. Even if I am the US national champ, chances are, the competitors in france and russia have never heard of me. Heck, not even all of the competitors in the US will have heard of me. the same applies to BJJ and thai boxing.

 

MMA has a very small penetration into mainstream public. Some countries to this day don't know what the UFC is. to whom are they trying to prove that are good fighters? the 2% of the public that watches them? the only people I've EVER heard say that fighters feel they have to prove something are traditional guys who don't fight. Not even the traditional guys I know who fight say that...

[Treebranch]

Context, context, context Mr. Gumbi that's what you have to understand.

[AngryMatt]

Context, context, context Mr. Gumbi that's what you have to understand.

Indeed.

[Gumbi]

How do you consider a fight in the ring more realistic than full contact sparring? Sure, kata and such are less realistic, but still they are helpful.

 

actually yes. If for nothing else than intent. I know all of the guys in my class. Even with hard full contact, they don't want to knock my head off. I spar them all the time - no adranaline factor or various other issues. In competition, these are present, and your opponent is someone who is not your friend and who does want to knock your head off.

 

Good point, lets not also forget too that the people you're sparring with in class you've been doing so for a long time. You find yourself knowing their strategy and techniques and dont feel nervous fighting them.

 

When you go to fight someone in a tournament and MMA match, you often know nothing about your opponent whether it be his skills, his techniques, or his strategy. This is one reason why everyone who has competed can relate to the extreme nervousness or anxiety you get when you're at a tournament or preparing to fight.

[GhostlySykanRyu]

"why don't you think so?"

 

The more you train in something, the more adept you become. Training in various areas does not make you less skilled, it makes you well rounded.

 

"actually yes. If for nothing else than intent. I know all of the guys in my class. Even with hard full contact, they don't want to knock my head off. I spar them all the time - no adranaline factor or various other issues. In competition, these are present, and your opponent is someone who is not your friend and who does want to knock your head off. "

 

I guess that's more of a personal thing. I have friends who would gladly tear me apart, and who do try to knock my head off...because I tell them to.

 

"where would the world be if everyone thought that? we would have no singers, no comedians, no sport fighters, no sports in general - no entertainment at all. Do ALL of these people lack humility?"

 

In a way, yes. The humility (sub?)topic isn't really going anywhere, it's gone from finding humility to your actual definition of humility.

 

"We compete because we like to fight"

 

People who fight simply because they like to fight...I'm not even going to comment on that (well technically I just did).