Wing Chun, Tang Soo Do or Muay Thai for street fighting?

[CrazyAZNRocker]

If you as a fighter want to use high kicks in a street fight, fine go ahead, and if it works, more power to you.

However, that doesn't change the my posistion on high kicks.

you have many flaws in your argument however

And the same thing can be sed or you.I could simply step back as you come in to stuff it or elbow me.and kick your head of.

you can't step back if I have already stuffed your kick. Unless you have found a way to step with one leg, you would be at my mercy.

As for a boxer a good martal artist will beet a good boxer anyday.Look at k1 for that

K-1 has good kick boxers, not exactly world class boxers, as in fist fighters, as in hit anything above the waist. I doubt that a K-1 fighter has the upper body mobility of a world class level boxer.

As for only hiting the face with a kick from the clinch lol.I think you would get kicked in the head a lot in my class.

You should really read my post more clearly, I said the only time the leg should be making contact with the face, are through Knees to the face while in a clinch.

And yes, head kicks work, anything works if you get a clean shot though, even a well place caporeia kick will knock someone out. The risk just is not worth it however. Why knock a guy out, when I could play it safe and blow the guys knee out?[/b]

[UseoForce]

Ummm...?

Has anybody noticed that the author of this post hasn't replied, probably has stopped watching this thread, and made up his mind by now? By all means, go on arguing, just an observation .

[TSDforChrist]

Well, obviously I'd pick TSD, but we train pretty bloody hard . A high kick is a very effective self defense tool, when used properly (unfortunately, MMA examples of anything have NOTHING to do with self defense...). The trick to that is, a kick higher than your opponent's pelvis is a defensive tactic. Let me explain: a circular kick anywhere near an opponent's will get caught, almost every time. A linear kick will probably get caught too, unless you are bloody fast. You may sill hit and cause damage with either type, but you stand too much risk of getting caught. Now, in a "street" fight, you have an excellent chance of your opponent telegraphing a punch, even if they have had training (adrenaline, gross motor movement and all that jazz) - so the best possible time to kick them is between their chamber and their strike, because it is then an indefensible technique. Personally, it would depend on the situation, because I can't kick much over 6 ft, maybe 6'1" or so (I'm 5'8"). But, watch some steet fights, or some video clips. Watch how people hold their arms (guarding the face), how they prepare to punch, how much space there is in the movement. Yes, you have to be fast, but that's true for anything. Hit the sensitive areas, and hit with power. Given the choice of opportunities, I'd rather kick, and I'd rather end it with a kick quickly, but since we don't get those choices, take what you can get.

Oh, and the legal ramifications of destroying someone's knee are a whole other ballpark from simply contusing or knocking them out....

In Christ,

Master Phil Stewart

4th Dan Tang Soo Do

[Sam]

youd have to move your leg from the floor to their head before their arm reached fill extension..... youd have to be REALLY REALLY fast.

[Kajukenbopr]

Im not sure about tang soo do....

but I'm pretty sure that muay thai and wing chun are pretty effective in a street fight since I've practiced with a friend who's in wing chun and even though he was in the worst physical condition I've seen, he was still able to defend himself really well.

We all know muay thai is strong....

[Kajukenbopr]

maybe it depends on who uses the style...?

[SubGrappler]

Its useless to argue back and forth

"If you do this, I'll just do this"

All techniques have counters, its like a fighter saying "you'll never hit me, because I'll just block when you attack"

Its all easier said than done.

As far as the high kicks argument, it depends on the style of standup fighter you are. Someone like Randy Couture doesnt favor kicks, because he doesnt feel they're worth the risk. Mirko Cro Cop and Chuck Liddel would clearly disagree with him though. I dont think I've ever seen Mirko throw a kick below the waist.

I feel that kicks belong going to the legs as opposed to the head, as there are alot of risks aiming for the head. If aiming for the head, I think its best if they're setup with other quicker techniques, and held in reserve until your opponent isnt quite as fresh as he started the fight off as.

K-1 is not a particularly good example to use if you want to argue that "any good martial artist will defeat a good boxer" because in reality, everyone in K-1 trains in boxing, regardless of their stated style.

[Thaegen]

Someone mentioned that training and conditioning is very important.

When you to a MA school it is a fact that a Muay Thai class is physical harder then most other MA and like someone said it is your own responsablity. Where I do Wing Tsun we do little conditioning, but where I do MT I sweat like a horse. But I prefere Wing Tsun above MT anyday.

To be a good Martial Artist you need to be good in other sports.

A good Martial artist is not someone who can do some techniques. A good Martial artist is someone who can use his techniques and has an excellent condition. Who can run miles and miles who can swim a couple of miles and etc...

Because before techniques comes physical condition, It doesn't matter how good your techniques are you will lose in a RL situation if you have no condition. After only a couple of seconds your perfect techniques will become sloppy, because adrealine, stress will jump. A good condition gives you a couple of seconds more with a good technique while a bad condition will make it very sloppy after only a couple of seconds.

[Sam]

Fair poin t - physical strength endurance does give you a massive advantage..... also experiecne ofthe adrenaline / stress involves is the next major factor.

When you're fit and have experience, then you have something to learn from, probably be the ideal student.... but oh wel.

[Goju_boi]

doesn't martial arts give u physical strength and endurance anyways?