CapitalKarate Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 I suspect that Mr. Moneymaker probably doesn't care what you guys think though... I'm sure he is secure enough in his own skills to not worry. Yeah, he's secure as long as he doesn't have to fight anyone. He's totally bogus. There no way you can get ONE authentic 9th dan promtion in 25 years of experience. Unless the art is TKD where they take under 3 years to get to black belt. I would still be cautious if the guy had several 5th dans and even more dan ranks under that from 25 years. But 2 or more 9th dans? sorry. He's crap. Joshua Brehm-When you're not practicing remember this; someone, somewhere, is practicing, and when you meet them, they will beat you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muaythaiboxer Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 i would probably agree but i have never met the guy. not all TKD schools give there belts away i trained for five years to get my first degree. Fist visible Strike invisible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelaG Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 I suspect that Mr. Moneymaker probably doesn't care what you guys think though... I'm sure he is secure enough in his own skills to not worry. Yeah, he's secure as long as he doesn't have to fight anyone. He's totally bogus. There no way you can get ONE authentic 9th dan promtion in 25 years of experience. Unless the art is TKD where they take under 3 years to get to black belt. I would still be cautious if the guy had several 5th dans and even more dan ranks under that from 25 years. But 2 or more 9th dans? sorry. He's crap. That's a very odd argument. The guy could have 100 10th dans - it would be unwise to assume that he couldn't tear your head off and spit down your neck. He may have inflated ranks in some things (I'm not going to comment as I don't know the history of how he earned them), but that doesn't mean that he is necessarily a crap MAist. Like I said - I know of a few senior people that would love to go and train with him, and think he is very impressive. Tokonkai Karate-do Instructorhttp://www.karateresource.com Kata, Bunkai, Articles, Reviews, History, Uncovering the Myths, Discussion Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalKarate Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 look angela, no true martial artist would decieve other MAists by promoting himself or by getting fake promotions from other people ine exchange for a promotion from him. and he certainly seems to be high on himself. it looks to me like the guy doesn't care nearly as much about being as deep into the martial arts as possible as he seems to just want high ranks and say hes one of the best. and about the senior people who would love to train with him... i don't know them. they mean nothing to me. if a guy who has spent 25 years in the MA and got several "9th dans" and so many more other dan ranks is able to convince other MAists that they're legit, then i have to wonder about those MAists and about you, or perhaps this guy also knows how to hypnotise people, i dno. he's fake, i know that much. Joshua Brehm-When you're not practicing remember this; someone, somewhere, is practicing, and when you meet them, they will beat you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelaG Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 That really is a terrible argument. I could call myself a 100th dan - it does nothing to take away the training I've already done. Just because he isn't particularly humble does not necessarily make him crap! His 9th Degree BB in Torite is recognized by the Dai Nippon Butokuki. I can't think of many other organisations as prestigious as that. Maybe he hasn't spent time in all he other MA as he "should" do, but maybe they recognised that a lot of MA are variations on a theme, and therefore decided to award his skills... Tokonkai Karate-do Instructorhttp://www.karateresource.com Kata, Bunkai, Articles, Reviews, History, Uncovering the Myths, Discussion Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 That's completely possible. My oldest brother was awarded an "honorary black belt" in some form of TKD. He had earned a 2nd degree black belt and then his school was shut down, so when he went to a new school of TKD they promoted him quite quickly, even though they had some differences in their systems. The game of chess is much like a swordfight; you must think before you move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaz Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 It makes me think they give out black belts way too lightly in America. Even if it is 25 years he's been practicing, thats alot of different arts and places you gotta be...Im not trying to bash the guy and his accomplishments, but it does make me wonder about him and MA in America... "One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say." - Will Durant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauzin Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Moneymaker and Dillman go way back. I wouldn't call Moneymaker so much a student as a cofounder and buisness associate of Dillman's current systems (which is breaking apart even more now that Jack Hogan has parted ways with with Dillman as well). As I understand it most of Moneymakers dans are honorary. The Okinwan Kenpo dan is complete nonsense (he's refering to Dillmans system which got sued over using that name and no longer does). He's has largely a Taekwondo background and has been going to and putting on seminars for a while. He's an excellent salesman and an acomplished networker. Beyond that I can't say much. The only two things that stand between an effective art and one that isn't are a tradition to draw knowledge from and the mind to practice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorinryu Sensei Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Moneymaker and Dillman go way back. I wouldn't call Moneymaker so much a student as a cofounder and buisness associate of Dillman's current systems (which is breaking apart even more now that Jack Hogan has parted ways with with Dillman as well). As I understand it most of Moneymakers dans are honorary. The Okinwan Kenpo dan is complete nonsense (he's refering to Dillmans system which got sued over using that name and no longer does). He's has largely a Taekwondo background and has been going to and putting on seminars for a while. He's an excellent salesman and an acomplished networker. Beyond that I can't say much. Interesting Sauzin. Can you tell us how you came about this information? I'm not doubting, or supporting what you're saying...it just sounds like first hand knowledge. My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottnshelly Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I'd be interested in knowing the Instructor that each of these ranks came from. Instead of just listing the ranks, he should put who promoted him to each of these alleged ranks and how long he trained with him/her. I'm more interested in knowing the amount of time he has studied rather than the ranks. and just because he says 25 years doesn't mean anything. I could eat a jar of baby food today and say that i've been eating baby food for x number of years because i ate it when i was a baby, then i ate some today... see what i mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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