cathal Posted February 23, 2005 Posted February 23, 2005 It is symbolic of "returning to the center". .The best victory is when the opponent surrendersof its own accord before there are any actualhostilities...It is best to win without fighting.- Sun-tzu
AngelaG Posted February 23, 2005 Posted February 23, 2005 I have heard alot of things from alot of people regarding this "sissy kata" My personal favorite is that since chinte and chinto(gankanku) are more feminie kata, most of the strikes in chinte requre technique way more than strength. That it is a girls' kata. At the end the woman is begging forgiveness from her husband or whatever. as much * as the rest of them. You hop backwards in Chinte to start where you finished, so the judges are happy. Fin. Except that doesn't ring true of when Karate was in Okinawa and being practiced alone, or with a one on one relationship with the instructor. Tournaments are fairly recent things. Tokonkai Karate-do Instructorhttp://www.karateresource.com Kata, Bunkai, Articles, Reviews, History, Uncovering the Myths, Discussion Forum
ZakariRu Posted February 23, 2005 Posted February 23, 2005 ? chinte is a shotokan kata. It is less then 70 years old in the modern format. Nakayama and Gigo changed almost all the kata. So your point is moot.
AngelaG Posted February 23, 2005 Posted February 23, 2005 Not necessarily. Tokonkai Karate-do Instructorhttp://www.karateresource.com Kata, Bunkai, Articles, Reviews, History, Uncovering the Myths, Discussion Forum
AngelaG Posted February 24, 2005 Posted February 24, 2005 I mean you are basing it on supposition as much as I am. (unless you are REALLY old) Tokonkai Karate-do Instructorhttp://www.karateresource.com Kata, Bunkai, Articles, Reviews, History, Uncovering the Myths, Discussion Forum
Mister Man Posted May 21, 2005 Posted May 21, 2005 Back to the topic - AngelaG's explanatin is a valid and very popular one amoung those taking a pragmatic view on the application. I teach a similar application where you as karateka have taken the opponents back and have a strangle/choke on and are almost shuffling backwards to 'put in on'. Another one is where the arms represent a full nelson (arms under their armpits and hands behind their neck.However, I once remember Sensei Kanazawa muttering that the application was never there as the person who made the kata didn;t finish where he started so kind of added in a couple of hops at angle to get 'back', we wern't sure whether he was joking!Jumping over a swung weapon/chain is very text book - but that's okay.MM
AnonymousOne Posted May 21, 2005 Posted May 21, 2005 The creator of the Kata run out of ideas and was several feet from where he ought to finish and added some hops to fill in the gaps!! 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing
Ted T. Posted May 21, 2005 Posted May 21, 2005 Our version of Matsumura Potsai ends in the same position as the more regular Patsai Dai, but you have to step back and to the right with your left foot and then straight back with your right foot to get to the starting point, so that is what we do.No fancy hopping ot confuse things, just, step back to where you started. Ted TruscottThe Raising Canes Club
AnonymousOne Posted May 21, 2005 Posted May 21, 2005 Our version of Matsumura Potsai ends in the same position as the more regular Patsai Dai, but you have to step back and to the right with your left foot and then straight back with your right foot to get to the starting point, so that is what we do.No fancy hopping ot confuse things, just, step back to where you started.Me tinks the thread is about the kata Chinte 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing
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