TO HIT AND NOT TO GET HIT ? THIS IS MY QUESTION !

[vertigo]

the intent isn't the same as fighting against someone who doesn't know you, has no tie to you and wants to tear your head off.

 

I guess it just depends on the level of seriousness of the fight.

 

Very good points. In sparring, as fast or hard as you could go, the intent is still not to injure your sparring partner. (Imagine a dojo that did do that! Hmm... Dojo of Hard Knocks? ) Whereas on the street, I'm sorry, but if someone jumped me in a dark alley, I'd go after them like crazy, going for knees, throat, etc... it's just a completely different mindset.

Indeed.

 

Imagine a Semi-trailer travelling at 100km/h colliding with a car travelling 100km/h in the exact opposite direction. (ie-head on.)

 

Now, imagine a Semi-trailer travelling at 100km/h colliding with a stationary car.

 

Finally, imagine a Semi-trailer travelling 100km/h colliding with a car which is travelling 90km/h in the same direction as the truck.

 

Which of the situations presents less force impact on the car????

 

I see the point you are making.. I still don't disagree with it in a karate sense. (no offense intended)... Thinking on it for a second though, it all depends on the situation (isn't that the answer to EVERY question on this forum? ).. if a drunk decided to start a bar fight and was throwing around weak punches, sure you could roll with those.. they're not going very fast and should be relatively easy to get your body up to speed to where it won't do much...

 

However (I'm dipping into the hypothetical now), if someone did have any sort of training regarding punches, they would be able to generate tremendous force with a punch, to the point where it'd be nearly impossible to get your body moving that fast in the opposite direction.. even if you move as possible, you probably end up going to the ground (which opens up more problems).. would rolling with a trained punch help? Yeah.. but I don't think it'd make a much of an impact (and, again, you increase your chances of getting thrown off balance, which opens you up to more punches, or thrown to the ground, which is worse)

 

And I just realized I wrote WAY more than I intended... summary: Rolling with punches? Fine I'll concede it would help, I just wouldn't want to get even that close against someone who was trained to punch.

Edited February 25, 2005 by vertigo

[SevenStar]

watch some of royce gracies fights. He's a perfect example of a guy who can roll with punches. If you notice, it's rare that you would see him get knocked down, and you never saw him get KOed. He rolled with them extremely well. it minimized the force of the blows, allowing him to continue fighting. boxers do it as well. I don't think it should be your primary means of defense, but it is definitely a good tool to have.

[yamesu]

I see the point you are making.. I still don't disagree with it in a karate sense. (no offense intended)... Thinking on it for a second though, it all depends on the situation (isn't that the answer to EVERY question on this forum? ).. if a drunk decided to start a bar fight and was throwing around weak punches, sure you could roll with those.. they're not going very fast and should be relatively easy to get your body up to speed to where it won't do much...

Ok, maybe the roadside analogy was not such a good example. My point was, going with the blow, even slightly, nullifies a percent of its force.

 

When rolling with the punch, you dont really start to move untill the punch hits you.

 

Sure, the idea is not to get hit. But if your going to get hit, (which in a fight is inevitably going to happen,) why not lessen the blow by moving with it??

 

If trained correctly, rolling movement can be co-incided so balance is not compromised, and even so counters may be thrown from advantagous positions.

 

In the Bujinkan, students are taught to move 'as a leaf blowing with the movement of air,' as one defence. In other words, when an attack comes, move with or around it like a floating leaf.

 

This is quite a deceptive technique, as opponents may think they have hit hard, but in effect all the force from the blow has been nullified.

 

Psycology is such an interesting factor of violence.

 

IMO: Sparring should not only increase your ability to throw attacks, but also to deal with attacks.

 

If you fight, your going to get hit.

 

Learning to absorb a hit or two is a well paid effort in the long run.

 

OSU.