horse stance

[battousai16]

the way i was taught, you should be coming in under the hips, and i suppose grabbing isn't the last part, but you're knocking them off balance as your coming to grab... um, you kind of ram them a bit before grabbing their arm, if that makes any sense.

[SBN Doug]

Well if somebody has a joint lock on me, i don't mind going to my back...guard is a perfect position for me

 

I didn't say I'd take you to your back.

 

But point taken.

[1kickKO]

hehehe...that's when a few good elbows come in handy...does anybody ever do army crawls? That's where ya have one partner lay ont heir back and you have to crawl up them (hitting all pressure points) just using elbows, then you have to turn back around and go back down them, then they have to lay on their back and you go through the same process. Then it's YOUR turn to lay on your stomach and then on your back. This is to get used to where to hit a person or rub your elbows into them to make 'em squeal like a pig if ya need to.

[SBN Doug]

Nope.

 

We train to hit pressure points, from multiple directions, using multiple parts of our bodies. But the only aspect I wish KSW would expand on is ground fighting.

 

On the other hand, I have had the opportunity to spar around with some BJJ friends, and we were able to show each other some weakneses in each of our defenses.

[taiji fajin]

Doug, I know what you mean, back in high school I wrestled, and it stuck in my blood so I love doing grappling. Many people in our school like it too, actually, so when class is over many people will stay behind to work on it. Thankfully we're also in contact with a Sa Beom Nim who's very good at grappling and will meet with our school and teach stuff occasionally. My only problem is getting people to realize that they need to drill more than they need to go live.

 

As for the horse stance, I've seen some handy things about it posted. I'm still not that convinced its good to hold it for 5 minutes, 10 minutes, etc, as its bad for your health (and if you lose your health practicing a martial art, well, what's the point?), but I was glad to see some info about it.

[SBN Doug]

The 5 minute hold was only at the beginning of a test. The intent (IMO) was to immediately put a strain on your physical and mental state before taking you through the test.

[Kempohands]

A horse stance can also be used to take away your opponent's balance with a leg check. For example:

 

Your opponent steps forward w/their front leg and punches w/their front hand....

 

You could block, step forwardwith one leg and turn and sink into your horse stance. If you're close enough, you'll get a nice reaction from your opponent.

 

This same principle can be apllied if your opponent grabs your wrist w/1 foot forward....

 

There are numerous other uses, especially as a transition stance (many have already been mentioned, so i won't go any further). One thing to remember about martial arts in general, THERE IS NO WASTED MOVEMENT, even bowing has combat application.....

[SevenStar]

grabbing the arm is last step? It's first step for us, grab, jerk of balance, hips, under, balance, throw.

 

he meant trapping the arm. You grab the arm, kazushi, step in and turn, lowering your hips under him, then trap the arm. from there, spring your hips up and throw.

[SevenStar]

If you're about to get thrown, for example a shoulder throw, you can slide into a horse stance and drop your weight and most likely you won't get thrown.

 

remember, a person adept in throwing will throw in combinations, no different from how a striker will punch in combinations. When you drop and lower your base, you are spreading your legs open - and I already have your arm. I will turn into you and throw you with a ko uchi gari - minor inner reap. Or, I may shoot my leg directly back between your legs and use a modified shoulder throw.

[embm]

We use a low horse stance in kata and to build leg strength. For actual fighting we use a natural stance. We are also taught to drop our body weight when some one attempts to throw us, but I am not waiting for you to twist my arm thanks very much. If I am attacked, in a bear hug from the front or behind, and we use multiple attackers, so I am not going to the ground if I can help it, I am going to grab a nice handful of skin either on your groin or inside of your thigh then shoot some elbows.