Cory Reynolds Posted February 17, 2002 Posted February 17, 2002 Power is great and all, but there are about a hundred "what if's" that you have to be ready for. Like what if your kick misses? Or what if your leg gets trapped? Or what if you are crowded and don't have room to kick? And on and on, you have to be ready for what you don't want to happen. Like I said, nothing works all the time; period. Wise man once said "he who has big mouth has much room for foot."
Deathcometh Posted February 21, 2002 Posted February 21, 2002 i would say that it depends on the time and place. If you are only facing 1-2 people i would say that it's perfect. But if you are talking about a gang then i would say know the art of running.
mastertae Posted February 22, 2002 Posted February 22, 2002 also many people to not utilize the knees elbows and many other techniques that tkd contains...many of which are similar to mauy tai...and though people tend to mostly kick high they need to realize they can kick low too...so yes if learned correctly tkd can be effective tool....it mostly depends on the person...one my grand master's in tkd is undefeated...and has been challenged numerous times in places like orlando...i even got a chance to sparr him...couldnt get one hit in....i also sparred my other grand master...he's extremely good too... Is it not easier to strike a mountain than it is to strike a fly!
Ryukyu1 Posted February 22, 2002 Posted February 22, 2002 I am sure if you train hard whether it by Kempo, Tkd, kickboxing, the list goes on, you will pick up something within your training that you can apply on the street. I have to agree with taezee even though I have not trained in TKD it is an extremely popular art, surely that stands for something
Radok Posted May 24, 2002 Posted May 24, 2002 What it stands for is light light light sparring and a new belt every five minutes. If you can't laugh at yourself, there's no point. No point in what, you might ask? there's just no point.Many people seem to take Karate to get a Black Belt, rather than getting a Black Belt to learn Karate.
OldRookie Posted May 25, 2002 Posted May 25, 2002 Rad--you must have watched the kiddies class at your local McDojang.....C'mon over to my school anytime & you are welcome to experience for yourself how "light" the sparring is. *1st Dan Oct 2004*"Progress lies not enhancing what is, but in advancing toward what will be.""It is better to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve them."
iron-palm Posted May 25, 2002 Posted May 25, 2002 hahahahaha damn this thread was funny to read. almost everyon that replied has no idea what they are talking about so i am going to set everyone straight. first if you do wtf and you get in a street fight you in trouble if youv trainned to do point sparing then you have no chance. as for kicking dont do it or youl get hurt, yes kicks have more reach but they are generally slower than hands and if you dont break somehing, knock someone out or kill them youv had it. also never do round kicks or circular kicks because they are so eazy to spot and block. Taezee you are an idiot and you would not speak the way you do if you had ever been in a real fight. bigger stronger can help in some cases but generally is a wast and if you are the tankiest strongest person alive and you got in a street fight youd probably get dead because people wouldent wast their time theyd got straight for you eyes spine nd throat and if they small you wouldnt be fast enough to stop them also ju-jitsu would only be of any help if you oppenent was wearing a shirt or was slow enough to let you grab him. that stress reaction that was talked about only applies if you have a doubt about who is going to win the fight or if you are new to the experience if you are a skilled fighter then you should be fully focused and aware of what is happening around you. the closest are for street fighting would be boxing and kickboxing but nothing compares to actually doing it you should also remember that there are no rules in street fighting so if you ever get into one i would advise no kicks only knees punches elbows and to go for their neck
Ti-Kwon-Leap Posted May 26, 2002 Posted May 26, 2002 Oh my! I'm sure glad I read this thread! Now I know that by studying TKD, my legs will become slow useless weapons and my arms will become noodlelike appendages hanging harmlessly at my sides, unable to defend me! Oh, the humanity! Ti-Kwon-Leap"Annoying the ignorant since 1961"
taezee Posted May 26, 2002 Posted May 26, 2002 iron palm..im an idiot???.ive been in plenty of real fights but am not even goin go into that,,just deal first and foremost with pathetic little punks as you who dont know who there addressing and feel like coming off as an athourity.in martial arts or training or fighting ..please believe that i am one of the last indidviduals you would want to square off with.. little a** holes like you who are ready to baffle all us real martial artist with your wisdom..you make me giggle ..besides all that you insignificant little fool..ive been doing taekwondo for twenty four years and if it was not an effective art i would have left it alone a long time ago..if you ever happen to be in the new york area for example giving one of your sessions or seminars on how it should be done or how much of a formidable fighting style you practice please feel free to contact me so I can accomidate you with multiple contusions or maybe even a trip to the local emergency room..because brother althugh I am a traditional martial artist and do have humility and command much respect and should not even be commenting the way i am..as a matter of fact..ll let this go.just for the fact that youre really not worth the disscusion to begin with..but please in any case let me know..ill be happy to accomadate you..in just how effective taekwondo kicks can be..and also how i deal with people who choose to call me small names as "idiot' id be an idiot not to kick your teeth in for saying it to my face!! and again that would be my pleasure..but then again if you were in the same room with me or knew of me you wouldnt even think of uttering such..im old school baby...and again im sure were all impressed and in awe with your knowledge and insight..and again if youre ever in the area ill let you spar one of my fourteen year old girls..if you can get passed her then I may jump in and smack you just for even more giggles..if you were trying to make an impression it was this.."i will try to sound like I know what im talkin about"..reality is you dont know nada!! please i implore you shut up!!and the same goes for all who think taekwondo..is just "sport"..taekwondo full contact competition sparing is really just the tip of the iceberg..a small part of the art and not "the" art it self.if you dont realy know.if you have questions..then just ask!!il be here for just those types of questions ladies and gent.. as far as going into debates on how taekwon do would fair against kung fu..or jujitsu.or kenpo..or karate..well be here all day long!! while I wont say taekwon do is the best art ever and cannot be defeated..i will say if you know or learn it or master it...its one of the worlds finest arts!!...but so is kung fu,,jujitsu..karate..and i know many beautiful people that have mastered all of these..a martial artist is a martial artist..even boxers i know are incredible and there not even consisdered martial artist!! but get hit by them one time and youll be in a world of pain and recovery!! no matter the style..it al comes down to discipline and character.this is the true essence of a warrior.dedication..and not "talk" as mr iron palm..hairy palm..whatever has choosen to illustrate..we are all "martial artist..respect that..no one style can defeat all which is one of the constant futile debates bought up on this forum again and again,,and for what??my style will beat yours and my hand skills will beat your kicks ..and if i grapple you then your kicks will mean nothing..nananananana.. lets try to grow up here a litle and see we are all connected in the way that we practice a fighting system and although it may not include all aspects of combat..one thing which is mutal in teachings is...respect..humility..honor..and definetly not..flexing..claiming knowledge...and definetly not calling other martial artist names becuase we really know what it is..lern from those who know..want advice on taekwon do ask me??? dont form an opinion on what some of your friends have said..want to learn about kung fu..ask someone who studies it..want to know about kenpo.ask a kenpo stylist..judo..ask that man who grabs a person and throws them to the mat on a daily..but dont ever make the assumption that what i know is law and then even have the audacity to say I know whats best and everyone else should follow my lead,,because there is the "true" idiot..stupid enough to believe that not only does he have all the answers.but to also preach to others on how it should be..omm whos the idiot mr iron? ill let it go because it evident..dont ever try to step to me because i will beat you...verbally..intellectually..spiritually..physically..I am a martial artist..im am a man...a man who is strong and determined with much resolve..and who has respect..and all of that is from my taekwondo training..that has made me the man i am today..and for a boy like you to call me "idiot" is truly a bad judgement and a reflection on just how much knowledege you lack..learn more and one day when youre really a master..you wont have to try so hard to sound like a master..those around you will already know.and stupid words from your mouth wil not be possible...until then please..shut up!! _________________ Javier l Rosario bayshore new york instructor taekwondo/hapkido "whenever youre lazy enough not to train .someone, somewhere is training very hard to kick your ass" [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 02:43 ] [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 03:14 ] [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 03:26 ] [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 03:35 ] [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 04:54 ] [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 05:32 ] [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 05:44 ] [ This Message was edited by: taezee on 2002-05-26 18:02 ] Javier l Rosario instructor taekwondo/hapkidounder master Atef s Himaya"whenever youre lazy enough not to train .someone, somewhere is training very hard to kick your *"
Bon Posted May 26, 2002 Posted May 26, 2002 On 2002-05-25 06:46, iron-palm wrote: hahahahaha damn this thread was funny to read. almost everyon that replied has no idea what they are talking about so i am going to set everyone straight. That's funny, I was highly amused when I read your post. Firstly, you just said don't do this, don't do that. If that's the case, what do YOU do then if you don't do any of the things you said not to do ? Stand there like the idiot you are I presume.first if you do wtf and you get in a street fight you in trouble if youv trainned to do point sparing then you have no chance. Secondly, I'm also amused by your atrocious english and grammar.as for kicking dont do it or youl get hurt, yes kicks have more reach but they are generally slower than hands and if you dont break somehing, knock someone out or kill them youv had it. also never do round kicks or circular kicks because they are so eazy to spot and block. You just contradicted yourself. Kicks have longer reach and are used when hands can't reach, so I fail to see why you wouldn't do a kick when someone can't reach you.Taezee you are an idiot and you would not speak the way you do if you had ever been in a real fight. If you knew taezee's background like the rest of us on these forums you would have never of even thought that, let alone said it.bigger stronger can help in some cases but generally is a wast and if you are the tankiest strongest person alive and you got in a street fight youd probably get dead because people wouldent wast their time theyd got straight for you eyes spine nd throat and if they small you wouldnt be fast enough to stop them also ju-jitsu would only be of any help if you oppenent was wearing a shirt or was slow enough to let you grab him. LOL... I won't dignify your argument about being big, anyone with a brain can see that's utter crap pulled out of your ass. You don't think a person who knows jiu jitsu could kill someone if they weren't wearing a shirt ? Being fast is not enough to stop a grappler taking you down either. HOW would you do that btw ? A lot of the takedowns they go for the legs or the feet, and if you don't use kicks because they are slow, what would you do ? Use your hands ?that stress reaction that was talked about only applies if you have a doubt about who is going to win the fight or if you are new to the experience if you are a skilled fighter then you should be fully focused and aware of what is happening around you. the closest are for street fighting would be boxing and kickboxing but nothing compares to actually doing it you should also remember that there are no rules in street fighting so if you ever get into one i would advise no kicks only knees punches elbows and to go for their neck Yeap, you've a lot of experience I can tell. About as much experience as my grandmother on the matter. It takes sacrifice to be the best.There are always two choices, two paths to take. One is easy. And its only reward is that it's easy.
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