What martial art is good against one who knows martial arts

[Hachidan]

Neither am I attacking you personally when I observe, as I must, that your mind is massively closed. My martial temperment was reared in a Mahayana dojo. The rational , logical, one plus one equals two mind was systematically and longitudinally broken down until it capitulated. At that point, I was no longer "stuck" to what made "sense." I was then able to start to achieve things that I could not have otherwise.

Your impossibilities are self fulfilling prophesies. You are correct that you would have no chance, regardless of how good you are. Once you see those three assailents with weapons your narrow ( no offense) thinking has already pronounced you dead. My thinking is sideways and encompasing. I'm going to whoop some serious * or die while I am trying. At least I would have a chance. You, my friend, would not because your mind has joined the side of the opponents with its "impossibilities."

On the other subject, I hope and pray that I will never be in a situation where I have to fight any number of people on the street...even one. I am essentially a healer not a hurter. I am a predator that does not kill if possible or even harm for that matter. I am a mystical warrior. I manipulate Maya and endeavor to elevate consciousness, my own and that of others.

I am not out to prove anything to anyone. My job is to educate and to be educated. I am also an outstanding strategist. I refer you to The Book of Five Rings by the sword saint, Mas Mushashi as well as to The Art of War by the venerable General Sun Tzu. They too were outstanding strategist who explained in exquisite detail how vastly greater numbers could be controlled and conquered. They traded in "possibilities" rather than endorsing "impossibilities." Both men were consistently responsible for doing " impossible" and incredible things. They thought sideways. Their minds were open and reflective. They were not trapped by their egos.

I don't "doubt" that I can handle one opponent. I give it the benifit of the doubt. Ditto for multiple oppoents. This keeps me honest. The paradox in my "thinking" bothers you because you are stuck to the rational logical mind. You probably think that the thinking mind is the mind. To me it is just a really great tool. Very cool, but limited. It is not the mind. The mind is much greater and No Mind is greater than that. No Mind is hard to beat. It encompasses the playing field and everything in it. It is faster than thought with unlimited insight and intelligence.

Under attack, this is what I am plugged into.

" Yea though I walk through The Valley of The Shadow of Death I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me my Rod and my Staff."

It works for me!!!

[Sam]

I was going to dignify that with a long reply.... but since im running short on time and am going to train will hope to post a better one later.

(1) how do you know my prophecies are self fulfilling?

(2)

I'm going to whoop some serious * or die while I am trying

does not sound quite as enlightened as the rest of your critique. But immediately makes you as closed to your apparent options as I do and therefore makes you fail to meet your last point of resulting to "no mind"..... youve made adecision to stand and fight therefore eliminating other possibilities during teh fight, closing your mind....

(3) Concenring controlling large numbers of people..... this massively depends on teh situation [as you would have to admit being by your own admission an "outstnading" strategist"]. So if we are to go back to your point regarding 10 attackers: how can one person positino himself in a position to allow him to "strategically" control 10 assailants?!

Again - no personal attack however you did say i had a closed mind, and i would consider myself more open than most to new ideas or ways of thinking that i have not yet been introduced to.... im simply here to learn and as you are a self-proclaimed teacher would like to take this opportunity to learn as much as possible.

[Hachidan]

By the time that I fight, I must fight. The opponents have not responded to the other options. I will not fight for my ego. I will fight to live and to protect others so that they can do so. Nothing closed minded about it. In such a case the "reality of the situation" forces my empty hand. So be it! At that point I will endeavor to survive, ergo, whooping some serious * if I can.

Incidentally, I do not conform to other people impression of how I am to conduct myself to be considered enlightened. Besides, enlightened sounds like I have arrived somewhere. I'm always on the journey. I never arrive, although I am perpetually joined in the process of arriving.There is no destination, only direction.

There is nothing self proclaimed about my teaching. I have instructed many hundreds of students. I have learned from each of them as well as from the great teachers that I have been blessed with.

Please study The Book of Five Rings and The Art of War. You might also enjoy and benifit from On The Transmission of Mind: The Zen Teachings of Huang Po as well as The Flight of The Eagle by J. Krishnamurtti.

[Sam]

Ive studied a selection of said books, namely number 2 extensively and number 4......

however - im going to cut this short on my part as i know realise that there is little to no point in continuing what is going to be a fruitless arguement / debate - but thanks for the viewpoint.

[Hachidan]

Sam said

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There is little to no point in continuing what is going to be a fruitless arguement / debate - but thanks for the viewpoint."

I was doing neither. I was trying to share something that I consider both crucial and precious.

Thank you for your time and responses. I wish you well.

[Kajukenbopr]

every style can be invincible, you only need to master what you know so you can use it best when the time comes......

can you say you truly master what ou know?

[Sam]

interesting point.... i woudlnt say it can be invincible.... ill just assume u meant mastery of an art gives you an advantage

[Kajukenbopr]

hey ,real martial art legends became those legends by mastering their own stle, not cross training

but they all made it by doing what they learned the way it was supposed to be learned and practiced.

[Kajukenbopr]

besides, what happens to phylosophy? if you cross train too much , you are doing it to fight and a true martial artist should have some philosophy to make his style not just fighting, but an art.

[viskous]

about the whole multiple attackers thing i know someone who NEARLY (and yes i am stresing nearly) beat about 8 cops.......i'd say there rather well trained and well armed