What type of Jiu-Jitsu is good for self defence/street

[Shane]

You also need to remember that a lot of the early Judo players were former jujitsu artists, so some would have an advantage in tournament due to the fact that they have trained jujitsu prior to training Judo. And personally Jujitsu in sport (tournaments) just does not make sense to me. If you want that I say go for Judo, using Jujitsu in sport takes away the true application of many techniques and it for sure takes away entry techniques, for example eye gauging your attacker while he's in your guard prior to moving into a straight arm bar. Of course after eye gauging someone its going to make the armbar easier to get than if your just trying to get the arm bar and personally thats what makes judo and Jujistsu different Rules and Methods of entry to these techniques that are very similar in many ways.

 

Just my opinion on it!

[Maddwraph]

how long on average would you think someone who fights JJ (any kind) can apply it to a real fight situation good. would they have to go for 2 or more years? or less? i heard some of it is suppose to eb easy to learn.

[TJS]

how long on average would you think someone who fights JJ (any kind) can apply it to a real fight situation good. would they have to go for 2 or more years? or less? i heard some of it is suppose to eb easy to learn.

 

that depends what you mean..someone with one or two jiu jitsu lessons could proabably choke someone out if they got the position.

 

as far as having a game plan and being able to execute it against an opponet int he street...i would say a few months and you will be able to handle someone of relative size.

[Gumbi]

You also need to remember that a lot of the early Judo players were former jujitsu artists, so some would have an advantage in tournament due to the fact that they have trained jujitsu prior to training Judo.

 

This is absolutely true, but take into account at the first kodokan tournament, 13 out of the 15 matches were won decisively by the Judokas (with the other 2 matches being a draw). Also, recall that I stated that ALL the throws in Judo came from Japanese Ju Jitsu, so how would they have surprised their opponents?

 

 

And personally Jujitsu in sport (tournaments) just does not make sense to me. If you want that I say go for Judo, using Jujitsu in sport takes away the true application of many techniques and it for sure takes away entry techniques, for example eye gauging your attacker while he's in your guard prior to moving into a straight arm bar. Of course after eye gauging someone its going to make the armbar easier to get than if your just trying to get the arm bar and personally thats what makes judo and Jujistsu different Rules and Methods of entry to these techniques that are very similar in many ways.

 

Just my opinion on it!

 

Well, aside from the fact that eye gouging from the bottom of a guard position is rather difficult (since your opponent isnt being controlled as effectively as say a mounted position) wouldnt it seem that the fact he can do this armbar without your suggested technique attest to how much easier it would be to do it if he could?

 

For example, in no gi competition its very difficult to submit ones opponent from the mounted position, due to the lack of gi and possible choke holds available. Yet, a fighter who can submit his opponent in such a situation will be able to do the same easily when he adds the striking element to that position.

[Gumbi]

how long on average would you think someone who fights JJ (any kind) can apply it to a real fight situation good. would they have to go for 2 or more years? or less? i heard some of it is suppose to eb easy to learn.

 

I'll give my insight on BJJ, even though this is a very vague question.

 

Very often a new person comes to class, knowing no jiu jitsu, and is paired up with a fellow white belt with a couple of months experience. Its very common to have someone with a few months experience positionally dominate the other inexperienced person.

 

Aside from techniques, there are a few things that you can learn from training for just a few months:

 

1: a general idea/strategy to where you want to be in the fight- you learn the heirarchy of positions not long after joining your first class. The fact that you have a particular position to attempt to get (the mount for instance) gives you an advantage since you can focus all your power and energy to get there. To give an example of an inexperienced opponent would be someone who's mounted and flails his feet, attempts to push you off, and twist side to side. Hes trying to escape 3 different ways at the same time with only a general idea of what he wants.

 

2: chokes are very usefull, and I think even someone with a few weeks of training might know a basic choke or two.

 

Rorion has said that in roughly six months, a jiu jitsu fighter would be able to take advantage of his techniques, but thats assuming they're fighting an opponent with roughly all things being equal.