Jeet Kune Do No Controversy Ideology

[dippedappe]

shouldn't matter since he was supposedly stronger after his injury.

 

Thats my whole point. If his defeat was after the injury, then Parker will be a better fighter than Lee. If not, then all the Bruce Lee criticism on this forum will simply be wrong opinions. So therefore it actually does matter.

[Rank7]

AJKD BJKD CJKD DJKD FJKD GJKD HJKD IJKD JJKD KJKD LJKD MJKD NJKD OJKD PJKD QJKDC

 

RJKD SJKD TJKDCGA JKDGFA UJKD VJKD WJKD XJKD YJKD ZJKD.

 

I looked around but i couldnt find a EJKD association. All these sorts of Jeet Kune Do. which is better??????????????Which would bruce lee like better? the classic non evolved JKD or the motherbrain concept JKD or the spiritualj BLAH BLAH BLAH.

[ryangruhn]

Jeet Kune Do is a set of original techniques outlined by lee

 

I was unaware that Sigung Lee invented Weatern Boxing, Wing Tsun, Fencing, Wrestling, Etc. JKD MA Concepts were nothing but Lee's own. Guro Dan has said numerous times that he remembers Lee studying other systems and pulling things from them.

 

Gruhn

[Chaz]

If I had to throw my mildly educated guess out (I've read 3 of his books and one about Bruce...), I would say that the contraversy lies in the way people practice JKD...It sounds as iff people are missing the point...(not saying you are...but it is a considered possibility)

 

Isn't JKD just concepts and philosophy? People talk about it as if it has form...thats not what bruces writings indicate...Wasn't he trying to press the idea that just because kickboxing and Wing Chun were his first focuses that later formed his ultimate way of fighting, doesn't mean it will be yours? Don't you have to find your own way? It seems to me JKD would be better served as a philisophical book than taught in a dojo...Even Bruce Lee quite teaching JKD in the end because people were using it as an ultimate way of fighting, Bruces way! They were'nt finding there own way...I'm confused...What is it you JKD practitioners do in the dojo to properley carry on Lee's Legacy?

[ryangruhn]

I know it might sound redundant but, I:

 

"absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is essentially MY own."

 

As simple as that.

 

Gruhn

[gungfooey]

I've always considered JKD as a guide in selecting what techniques or lack of techniques, styles, whatever, to use in differing situations. Adaptability is the main message I've retained from JKD.

[Rank7]

If I had to throw my mildly educated guess out (I've read 3 of his books and one about Bruce...), I would say that the contraversy lies in the way people practice JKD...It sounds as iff people are missing the point...(not saying you are...but it is a considered possibility)

 

Isn't JKD just concepts and philosophy? People talk about it as if it has form...thats not what bruces writings indicate...Wasn't he trying to press the idea that just because kickboxing and Wing Chun were his first focuses that later formed his ultimate way of fighting, doesn't mean it will be yours? Don't you have to find your own way? It seems to me JKD would be better served as a philisophical book than taught in a dojo...Even Bruce Lee quite teaching JKD in the end because people were using it as an ultimate way of fighting, Bruces way! They were'nt finding there own way...I'm confused...What is it you JKD practitioners do in the dojo to properley carry on Lee's Legacy?

 

having no way as way

[Venrix]

having no way as way

 

I certainly agree that people are missing the point with Bruce Lee's art and his philosophy. Bruce was able to say: "I have no way as way", because he mastered multiple arts and then discarded what was useless to him and added what was essentially his own.

 

Therefore, in order to achieve one's own JKD. In order to 'do away with the classical mess', as Lee put it, one must first master the classical mess. How can one 'do away with something' that one has not yet aquired?

 

Therein lies the problem. People learn the techniques of JKD that Lee left behind. Unfortunately, the majority completely miss the notion that 'learning what Lee left behind' is in fact learning a classical mess (since it has become 'stylized and forumulized'). JKD was a 'perfect art' only for Bruce himself. In order to come anywhere close to being like Bruce (as an artist) we must do away with the elements of Bruce's classical mess that are useless to us as individuals.

 

Clearly put:

 

1) Bruce created a part of his JKD from the techniques he aquired when mastering the classical mess.

 

2) Had he not first mastered the 'classical mess' JKD would not exist.

 

3) He did away with the parts that did not suit him as a fighter.

 

4) He never did away with a technique that he had not first mastered.

 

5) He created a part of his JKD from his own innovation. As he learned the mechanics of his own mind and body he began to create techniques that suited him. They may suit us too but they just as easily may not.

 

6) Bruce would never claim that JKD is the perfect martial art. He would claim it to be the perfect philosophy/approach to practising martial arts.

 

7) JKD is about mastering and then refining, aquiring and then pruning (doing away with the useless) and finally adding what is your own.

 

8 ) JKD is not a perfect martial art for anyone other than Bruce himself.

 

9) Whilst JKD is not a perfect art (and Bruce would never claim it to be so), Bruce may well be the perfect example of what it is to be a martial artist.

 

10) If one is to become a martial artist like Bruce Lee (and this appears to be the goal of many JKD practitioners) then one must accept that 'throwing the usless parts of JKD the style into the trash can' is a part of the process. Bruce would encourage it! It is in line with JKD the philosophy and one must realise that JKD the Philosophy and JKD the Style are two different things. They are not two sides of the same coin (i.e. inseparable), they are separable components of an overall ideal that was unique to Bruce.

 

The controversy lies in point 10 (sorry that there are so many points!!! ). JKD has become stylized - making it no different to any other classical style. I believe that Bruce would not be happy with this. He would ask that you master it - then disregard what you do not need - then move onto to 'another style' and take from it what you can.

 

Bruce was a 'martial arts scavenger' - and I mean that as a compliment!

 

-V-

[Straight Blast]

if you guys think about it...JKD in translation means ''intercepting the fist'',it isnt saying anything specific like other fighting styles like..

 

TKD-''way of the fist and foot''

 

Karate-''empty hand combat''

 

It shows that it is not a style,thats why Bruce mainly thought of it as a philosophy.

[ovine king]

jkd=jeet kuen do= intercept fist way.

 

if you're going to take it literally as you did with the two examples you gave, then jkd is all/only about intercepting fist.

 

in that repect, TKD and karate makes more sense.