Hudson Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Question: Is the practice of (chi sau, sticking hands, sticking legs, etc; etc; etc; whatever you wan't to call it) exclusive to WC stylists only? If no, what other styles do it? Either way, what would be your opinion on a non WC stylist taking private lessons to learn chi sau without getting any of the WC forms etc;? The game of chess is much like a swordfight; you must think before you move.
Master Jules Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Okinawan Goju Ryu uses chi sau in its blocking methods, which is what enables the chin na part of the system. ~Master Jules......aka "The Sandman""I may be a trained killer......but Im really a nice guy"
Zhong Gau Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 (edited) Our Choy system is not QiSau intensive. I was under the impression that qisau was more of an individual's capability than a trainable skill, although if an individual has the ability it certainly could be improved through repitition. as that it's kinda like 'leading', right? or are you reffering to 'external' qisau? like gripping and hooking? Edited January 4, 2005 by Zhong Gau Ah! Mantis Grasshopper, i think you would do very nicely on a bowl of rice!
pvwingchun Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 You can't learn just Chi Sau. First ask your self why do you want to learn Chi Sau? Chi Sau is simply a drill, one spoke in the wheel. Too mnay people think that Chi Sau is the end all and that is what everyone wants to learn. Unfortunately great Chi Sau doesn't equal great fighting skills.....although there is much to learn from it to just learn Chi Sau without the foundation is simply not a good idea..... Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
Zhong Gau Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 as i'm basically ignorant to wing chun, why is it not a good idea to take the cafeteria approach? If, as the previous post asserts, chi sau is just a drill could it not be cut-and-pasted into another system? Ah! Mantis Grasshopper, i think you would do very nicely on a bowl of rice!
Nick_UKWC Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Chi Sau in Wing Chun is a training drill to develop sensitivity. The point is to develop through touch alone the ability to read what your opponent is doing and react to it instinctively. You could use WC Chi Sau training along with any other martial art but you have to think about the reason it suites WC and perhaps might not suit all other styles. Wing Chun is all about close range fighting, if you're unable to develop power at this range, or you have never trained this kind of strike then you could be the greatest Chi Sau practitioner that ever lived and you'll never do any damage. You wont get hurt and you'll make the guy look like a fool, but you wont ever hurt him. For instance I've read Karate (don't remember the style, sorry) practitioners on this forum say they have a 'bubble' that they don't let anyone enter. I don't think learning Chi Sau would be of great benefit when fighting with these kinds of ideas because you're objective is to prevent it's application ever coming in to play. To answer the question specifically, no it is not exclusive to Wing Chun, but I am under the impression it is most highly utilised in Wing Chun. I'm afraid I can't remember the names of other styles that use it off the top of my head. "...or maybe you are carrying a large vicious dog in your pocket." -Scottnshelly
Hudson Posted January 4, 2005 Author Posted January 4, 2005 I also have heard about that "bubble", I think its one of the Hapkido ideals as well. As far as why I want to learn, I have read that chi sau is a more effective way to learn counterfighting rather than "If he does that, do this." The only reason I'm so interested in these ideas is because we practiced something using sticking hands type ideas to follow and jam techniques. Also, that WC demo with Sifu Gary Lam was very impressive to me, I just don't like the idea of taking Wing Chun. Why? Because I know as soon as I do I'll come to my first kwoon saying "Oh no, we do that like this in Wing Chun!" (And get slapped). The game of chess is much like a swordfight; you must think before you move.
Nick_UKWC Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Blinfolded Double Sticky (Real Media): rtsp://ukwingchun.com/assets/videos/Blind_Chi_Sau-(RealVideo-DSL).rm From https://www.UKWingChun.com "Self descriptive! Here you see that with some contact the Wing Chun stylist can orient himself to find ways to approach the opponent. There are purposeful breaks shown to display the theories of chum kui in bridge finding. The opponent could quite easily keep away and throw punches to defeat the blindfolded practitioner. But with some contact there is some small chance!" "...or maybe you are carrying a large vicious dog in your pocket." -Scottnshelly
Hudson Posted January 4, 2005 Author Posted January 4, 2005 Very impressive - exactly why I want to learn chi sau The game of chess is much like a swordfight; you must think before you move.
pvwingchun Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 Why do you want to learn chi sau is the first question ot ask? Why not learn Wing Chun then the Chi Sau will make sense to you. So many people want to take bits and pieces of WC and put it into their sysem doing so compromises the understanding of what you are taking and adding. As I said learning chi sau without the proper foundation is not chi sau. Without understanding what it is for and the principles behind it you aren't learning chi sau. To many people believe that chi sau skills convert to combat skills and they don't. Again chis sau is not combat no one is ever going to step into that range and start a fight by rolling with you. Wing Chun Kuen Alliancehttps://www.wing-chun.us
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