push ups & high rep bench=punching power

[IOM Combat]

Hi All,

 

Without meaning to go up against it to much, strentgh training of any kind will only help your power in a technique a very limited amount. Proper technique using good principles is what is needed to generate power. That is why Pete Sampras doesn't have huge muscle filled shoulders but can whack a tennis ball a damn site faster than most of us. Pro football strikers don't have giant legs but I bet then can kick a ball harder than we can. Don't get me wrong, strength will help but technique is the key. Getting your body balance, angles of force etc correct will help a lot more to begin with.

 

Regards,

 

Dan

[striking_cobra]

if you don't think pro athletes strength train you're...

[IOM Combat]

Thats not it. Pro-atheletes do strenght train but their main focus is on the technique, not the muscle mass behind it. Look how much force is generated by a golfer. If muscle is so important why aren't they bigger in the old shoulder detp?

 

Whe you are at the pro level every little bit helps and you have to work on the areas which are most likely to give you gain. The level of improvemetn you will gain from weight training in MA is minimal compared to the power gain possible from improved principles. If you want to improve power look there first.

[KungFuLuvva]

What he means is...they dont break there frames...Bruce Lee is known as one of teh hardest working strength trainers ever, and he didnt have giant arms and legs, infact, he looked like a skinny little kid with all his clothes on...he realized size does not equal power. its much better for most martial artist to not bust out of their frame. i'm in traveling soccer, and they dont want us doing free weights. i work mostly on nautilus pin machines, i think its a good way to get stronger without out gaining mass and messing up your body frame. recently i've been doing some free weights for my tris tho, because i want them to get bigger fast.

[Dragn]

I wouldn't reccommend using machines.They isolate the muscle ignoring the importance of connective tissue and stabilisers, which support the muscle, leading to injury in stressfull sport.

 

Its really important to understand the difference between bodybuilding and strength training for sport.

 

If you want to train for explosive power you have to train explosively (with or without weights)

 

But dont jump into explosive weight movements or you'll just get hurt.

 

You have to strengthen connective tissues first, gradually advancing toward low rep heavy weight sets to build your strength.Then move into more explosive sport specific exercises and plyometrics to train the neuromuscular system to use that power in the movements of your sport.

 

Strength training for sport really is a science and there are so many varied and contrasting opinions out there that it can be really exasperating for athletes.

 

I reccomend you do some looking around on the net for martial art specific strength programs.

 

I personally like Dr Colgans power program.

 

check him out at https://www.colganinstitute.com

 

Also rossboxing.com has some interesting stuff.

[SevenStar]

Thats not it. Pro-atheletes do strenght train but their main focus is on the technique, not the muscle mass behind it. Look how much force is generated by a golfer. If muscle is so important why aren't they bigger in the old shoulder detp?

 

Whe you are at the pro level every little bit helps and you have to work on the areas which are most likely to give you gain. The level of improvemetn you will gain from weight training in MA is minimal compared to the power gain possible from improved principles. If you want to improve power look there first.

 

pro athletes also focus on strength training. However, you may be equating mass training with power training - they aren't necessarily the same.

[SevenStar]

The level of improvemetn you will gain from weight training in MA is minimal compared to the power gain possible from improved principles. If you want to improve power look there first.

 

that's not necessarily true either. If it were, there would be no need for weight classes and featherweights would KO heavyweights. I see where you're going - technique is a must - but you can't downplay proper attributes training.

[SevenStar]

What he means is...they dont break there frames...Bruce Lee is known as one of teh hardest working strength trainers ever, and he didnt have giant arms and legs, infact, he looked like a skinny little kid with all his clothes on...he realized size does not equal power. its much better for most martial artist to not bust out of their frame. i'm in traveling soccer, and they dont want us doing free weights. i work mostly on nautilus pin machines, i think its a good way to get stronger without out gaining mass and messing up your body frame. recently i've been doing some free weights for my tris tho, because i want them to get bigger fast.

 

1. mass wont' mess up your body frame.

 

2. bruce was awesome, but isn't known for being the most informed around when it came to strength training

 

3. you can use free weights and get stronger without gaining mass - you will see more benefit from this than you would from machines any day.

[hobz]

2. bruce was awesome, but isn't known for being the most informed around when it came to strength training

 

He knew alot in my books...

[SevenStar]

he believed in electro stim, for goodness sake...