STR33T GUY Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 In wrestling I learned that keeping my elbows in at my side gave me more strength in the arms and made arm attacks against me difficult. When I took Jujitsu, every time that I felt I was in danger of an arm lock I quickly tucked my elbows in and attacked their arms back. Even the higher belts seldom if ever got an arm lock on me. I was always getting caught in collar chokes though; I just don’t know what to do to stop them, any suggestions? A minute of experience on the street is worth a year of training in the dojo.If you can’t sprawl and brawl, you can’t street fight.
TJS Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 tuck your chin and get a hand between theirs...the best way to learn to avoid submissions is by learning them..that way you know exactly what they need to do to finish and can do the opposite.
BJJShotoshe Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 well, first you have to find out if you are tensely putting your arms to your side or not. if you absoultely refuse to be loose and relaxed, you will be put in chokes a lot. you have to relax, and then your mind is able to think on more then your arms. you are able to move your arms while you are being choked. the next thing i would suggest is learning some counter moves to different arm locks, that will also help you relax. i was once one of those people. i warn you break that habbit fast!! shodan - ShotokanBlue Belt - Jiu-JitsuWhoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care the themself without that law is both. For wounded man shall say to his assailant, if I live I will kill you, If I die you are forgiven-- such is the rule of Honor.
Little Tony Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 STR33T GUY Can you please be more specific in the type of collar choke you are having problems defending. Is it a collar from the back mount, guard, mount or cross side position? The general rules of defending a collar choke are: 1) Counter the opponent's choke before it is in deep or in position to be finalized. 2) Use good or effective positioning of your body, arms, hands, and legs. A lot of times, students have one hand out of position and that was the mistake in the end. 3) Stay relaxed, think and breathe. Learn how to apply choke collars because the same details that make the chokes work are often times the same details, if countered, will make the collar chokes fall apart. Little Tony
Red J Posted January 4, 2005 Posted January 4, 2005 STR33T GUY 3) Stay relaxed, think and breathe. Great advice for any "sticky" situation that you get into. I had to lose my mind to come to my senses.
STR33T GUY Posted January 4, 2005 Author Posted January 4, 2005 I think that you people have misunderstood me; I’m NOT ridged and unmoving when I pull my elbows into my side. I have a wrestling background and I am very comfortable on the ground. The reason that I place my elbows in is two fold, first it gives me and mechanical advantage and second it denies and attack area (armpits) to my opponent.STR33T GUY Can you please be more specific in the type of collar choke you are having problems defending. Is it a collar from the back mount, guard, mount or cross side position? All collar chokes, I’m relatively new to submissions (I’m a ground and pound kind of guy). I agree with the idea that the best defense is to known all the chokes. I was just looking for general ideas that would be helpful. Like my advise to prevent arm locks, which helps even if you don’t know all the various arm locks. A minute of experience on the street is worth a year of training in the dojo.If you can’t sprawl and brawl, you can’t street fight.
Little Tony Posted January 5, 2005 Posted January 5, 2005 STR33T GUY, There are a lot of variations that can be applied for collar chokes in different positions. Outside of what has been said already, my advise would be to get caught in a collar choke again and look at the position you are in. From there, you will be able to analyze the position you were in, fix the details of your mistake, and then reflect on the collar choke or the variation you got caught in. Do not take the gi off because of your wrestling background. Take the time and really train with the kimono on to become more technical as a submission/Jiu-Jitsu/grappler. Little Tony https://www.soulfight.net
VinnieDaChin Posted January 7, 2005 Posted January 7, 2005 tuck in chin, shrug shoulders, and worse comes to worse, put a palm on his chin and push his head back if hes getting something.
STR33T GUY Posted January 7, 2005 Author Posted January 7, 2005 One time I was sparring and I was in the guys guard and he had a collar choke on me. Since I’m not bad a passing the guard I ignored the choke and managed to get the mount. Once I mounted him I was able to peal his hands away and break the choke. I then excused myself and when to the washroom to puke. I always tap out now. A minute of experience on the street is worth a year of training in the dojo.If you can’t sprawl and brawl, you can’t street fight.
Gilbert Posted January 13, 2005 Posted January 13, 2005 against a nelson.. when you feel or know your gonna be grabbed from behind to a nelson(which is your opponent wraps your arms and then locks his fingers which he rests them behing your neck. just send energy and stay relaxed. he wont be able to lift your arms up. then quickly counter with something. if you use energy at the right time, you avoid almost anything. just for that second, your energy helped out. even at just that instant...even if he struggles to lift your arms up if your stay relaxed and maintain energy he will not be able to lift your arms up. Even the most powerful human being has a limited sphere of strength. Draw him outside of that sphere and into your own, and his strength will dissipate.
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