Clinching on the street

[STR33T GUY]

Muay Thai clinch (prumb)

 

This is a double collar tie-up, both arms around the neck with the hands at the back of the head. I don’t like this clinch for two reasons, one it isn’t that hard to block the inevitable knee and two it leaves you very vulnerable to a throw/takedown. Remember that in MT the rules limit the throws that Thai boxers can use; double leg takedowns are a no-no.

 

Free style wrestling (collar elbow tie-up)

 

I don’t like this clinch. Although great for defending against leg takedowns, it leaves you vulnerable to upper-cuts and knees.

 

Greco-Roman wrestling (over-under tie-up)

 

I don’t like this clinch either. On the under-hook side you are vulnerable to hooks and elbows. And being a chest to chest position you won’t see that knee coming at your groin either.

 

Judo

 

The most common clinch that I have seen in Judo is a collar elbow tie-up, but different from the collar elbow tie-up seen in wrestling. This clinch only works with suitable clothing and leaves you vulnerable to strikes, especially head butts.

 

I believe that I have developed a superior clinch for the street. It is good defensively against throws and takedowns. The only strike that you are really vulnerable to is an upper-cut to the body from only one side. And you can easily counter that with knees to his body. I call it the funky nelson since the tie-up is some what similar to a quarter-nelson.

 

The problem that I have is I can’t test it out because I’m not training at a gym right now. If anyone is interested is testing this for me, I will PM them a description of the funky nelson.

 

Serious inquires only please.

[kickcatcher]

I'm actually a fan of some of the clinches you've mentioned. The merits are relative to the opponent. Generally speaking street opponents won't try to counter in the same way as an MMA partner might.

 

From the Thai clinch, snap-downs are very useful for the street (not ever done it myself in the street but Dave T advocates it within its context).

 

I like the arm-wrap type clinch -albeit only momentarily.

 

Where are you -if you're in London (UK) I'm only too happy to get involved in well thought out pressure testing

[STR33T GUY]

Where are you -if you're in London (UK) I'm only too happy to get involved in well thought out pressure testing

 

I’d like that but unfortunately I’m in Canada. Or is it unfortunately your In England (just joking).

 

Good point about the snap-down. I never did use the snap-down much in wrestling so I tend to forget about it.

[kickcatcher]

Where in Canada? I have one contact there who could assist you if by fluke you are in the same area. Alturnatively there is a strong Canadian prescence on Cyberkwoon forum although I cannot vouch for their credibility -though at least one is a respected reality guy -though not a fan of MMA IIRC.

 

In MMA/grappling people base out when you clinch because they know what you're about. On the street or against people untrained in grappling, this is less of a problem.

 

Simple clinch move: Snap down and guillotine. When their legs start to fail them let go and raise knee.... taken from Andy Davis, MMAist and former Bouncer.

[Shane]

I also like some of the clinch methods you mentioned. We all know anything can happen and there is no 100% for sure technique. I look at the clinch as a good way (once in) to deliver some hard strikes (knees/elbows etc) prior to a takedown or finishing move. I might not always go into a full clinch if its not available I'll move on to something else. So its going to depend, if your attacker defends against it while your trying to move into a clinch then screw it move on to your next move. I do think training several versions of the clinch is a must!

 

MY OPININON

[VinnieDaChin]

make it your goal to become so good that on the street the clinch only lasts a second at most, and youre then off to a takedown or whatever. (i mean for those clinches you dont like for stated reasons.)

[Ali]

Muay Thai clinch (prumb)

 

This is a double collar tie-up, both arms around the neck with the hands at the back of the head. I don’t like this clinch for two reasons, one it isn’t that hard to block the inevitable knee and two it leaves you very vulnerable to a throw/takedown. Remember that in MT the rules limit the throws that Thai boxers can use; double leg takedowns are a no-no.

 

I am quite interested to know more about your new skill.

 

If you can post some MPEG file would be great.

 

For Muay Thai clinch, I think the next step is side step to make your opponent losing balance. And then with knee kick from your side.

 

Of course, I also know that this may end up by taking down by

 

your opponent and ending up with a leg lock.

 

All thing can be possible anyway....

[Treebranch]

It's very useful to know good takedowns. A good throw can end the fight.

[striking_cobra]

true that

[striking_cobra]

true that