Throat bars anyone?

[kickcatcher]

Ahah! My first topic here

 

Does anyone else drill or use throat-barring with the forearm as part of their SD toolkit? If so, how do you train it?????

 

Here's the basic sequence I'm drilling on the bag and if I can get access to one, a "bob" dummy:

 

http://usera.imagecave.com/armchairstrategist/chav2.jpg

 

It starts with a pre-emptive strike from the fence and, if they don't go down, I seek out their throat with my forearm and put some body shift into their structure. Simultaneously I'm unloading my right hand in a sort of machine gun manner -ideally at their face.

 

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[Shane]

You know what??????

 

WHAT EVER WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

seems like a very basic technique, and basics are the best

[Drunken Monkey]

hey there.

 

y'know, the forearm is used in almost the same way as the elbow is or it is used as a follow from an elbow.

 

on a bag, what i do is this:

 

punch as you have then step forward with left foot as i elbow the bag with left arm.

 

this gives more torque for the extension of the left arm which results in the forearm 'strike'.

 

this makes getting them to move how you want to a little easier.

 

of course you could skip the elbow altogether and go straight in with the forearm (wing chun faat sau style) to the throat.

 

try using the opposite foot to elbow/forearm striking arm.

 

see how it feels.

 

for me, it makes me feel more stable and i aim to get them to fall sidedways as opposed to falling backwards.

 

the thing is i'm not sure if you need to aim for something so specific as the throat for this to work.

 

the head is pretty heavy and if you can get your hand/arm in a position to move their head, you're pretty much going to make them move.

 

the thing with the elbow going in first is that it alternates the direction that they move.

 

it kinda makes it harder for them to recover.

 

also, as in your diagram, it is possible for you to thread your right arm under his for an armlock which the knock to the head will also help with.

 

although i've only ever done this as a (compliant) drill.

 

when pressure goes up, the thread to arm lock never seems to work......

 

tried it with pads and head gear and it turns out the arm lock isn't needed cos the head control takes them down (when i'm allowed to hit for 'real').

 

i keep meaning to ask you, what do you draw with?

[kickcatcher]

Thanks for the thoughts guys. Yeah the forearm bar as I do it is a lot like an elbow with lots of shoulder structure behind it.

 

On a more advance conceptual level I'm seeking to locate and partially control hisd shoulder plain so as to steady the main target -his head.

 

PS.

 

I draw with bog standard MS Paint.

[Drunken Monkey]

control the shoulder...

 

interesting.

 

i have to say i've always be taught to control upper body by controlling the head and this aims to get them onto the floor.

 

i take it your (basic) aim here is to hit them until they fall as opposed to making them fall then hitting them as they're on the floor.

 

.....sorry for the messy english.

 

you should get what i'm trying to say.

 

MS paint?

 

damn... i've been trying to use corel to draw things and it's bl**dy difficult.

 

mouse or tablet?

[kickcatcher]

My real aim is that they are unconsious with the first hit and the forearm bar becomes unnecessary. But I always try to have natural contingencies and drill them ad nauseum.

 

The shoulder plain (not the same as the shoulders) control affects his countering ability and allows me to grapple him more easily if he tries to escape the throat bar -I hope. Of that and forward momentum, I'd say the latter is more important though.

 

Arm locks on standing opponents???? you know me better than that...

 

Ps. Mouse

[STR33T GUY]

Hello kickcatcher and welcome to KF.

 

At the risk of being a negative ninny, the drawing shows very poor body mechanics for generating power in punches. I suppose the artist isn’t a martial artist, but then the description you gave doesn’t do much for power generating body mechanics either.

 

I also fail to see the benefit of having your forearm against their neck while punching the head. I must be missing something, could you explain more?

 

One last thing, leading with a right cross from an orthodox stance is risky, unless it’s meant to be a sucker punch. Even if it is a sucker punch, I’d rather use a less risky punch like a left hook. But maybe hooks don’t work well with throat bars. What’s the purpose of the throat bar again?

[Drunken Monkey]

the arm lock.

 

its where you thread your arm under theirs and hook around to plant hand on his shoulder.

 

his arm ends up bent at the elbow (or you bend it this way with free arm) and the upward pressure causes him to 'fall'.

 

it's not really done on a standing opponent.

 

it's kinda of a halfway move to affect more pessure to make him go down easier.

 

normally you've already got his balance and are doing this as means to control further.

 

this was shown to me by a hk police inspector by the way so it might be more 'control' orientated as opposed to 'take the guy out'.

 

as well as the 'pure' execution of this arm control/lock,

 

a kick to the back of knee to make him buckle or use of a police baton in the lock makes it easier to get him on the floor.

 

*edit*

 

it's not strictly a right cross from an orthodox.

 

it's a 'pre-emptive' strike from the 'ready' hand of a fence.

[STR33T GUY]

it's not strictly a right cross from an orthodox.

 

I’m only going by the drawing

 

 

it's a 'pre-emptive' strike from the 'ready' hand of a fence.

 

What’s the difference?

[Drunken Monkey]

the fence is a situational tool,

 

it's used kinda in readiness for something happening without being overtly threatening.

 

i'm not the best explainer of this.

 

have a google on geof thompson and 'The Fence'.