Using the Emei piercers..

[Jbone1]

I finally got mine and I can do a few things but I'm looking for where to find out some training methods for these weapons.

 

Anyone help?

[harleyt26]

I have never heard of them, how about a pic or description.What style of kobudo are they used in?(can they be twirled in a musical kata? )

[tommarker]

Before I answer, let me just say that i have absolutely no training in emei. If you're looking for authentic teachings of the "old ways" you can just ignore everything I have to say.

 

Having said that, if you want to FIGURE OUT how to use them, let's start there.

 

First off, have you come up with anything? What have you noticed about the weapon? Is it a short or long range weapon? Is it easily concealed? Are they heavy? What kind of "real world" improvised weapon would be similar?

 

What other martial weapons are in the same category? For example, the okinawans have the chizukenbo, which are usually only about 6-7 inches long, but also have a string for going around the finger. How are these used? Could their methods be transferred over?

 

I see that you study Karate. Have you tried taking your regular empty hand techniques and seeing if any transfer over?

 

If you don't mind, I'd like to try and turn this into a useful thread where instead of recommending videos, we all try put our heads together, take an exotic weapon, and make it our own.

[tommarker]

doubletap...

Edited December 15, 2004 by tommarker

[Jbone1]

Thanks man I've done all that and I been able to manipulate them pretty well. It's a short range weapon and deceptive.

 

It's cool and I'm getting the hang of spinning it back. It's got pointy tips and I can sharpen the edges.

 

I know for sure quick hands=quick ends to a confrontation with these.

[tommarker]

Ok, don't be greedy, what have you come up with? SHARE!!!

 

Another weapon you might be interested in is the suntetsu, a japanese weapon that is shorter, and doesn't have spikes, but does have a rotating ring.

 

I wouldn't bother sharpening the tips. I'm sure they will pierce just fine. And I certainly wouldn't want to practice with a sharp weapon unless I'd used it for quite awhile.

 

I'll go ahead and share a theory: while the emei will spin, it's not their primary use. The ring is for weapon retention. On your finger, it is hard to disarm, drop accidently, etc. Also, you can open your hand and grab w/o losing the emei. Now you've got a nice ramp in your hand to add to joint locks to the fingers, wrist, elbow, etc.

[MenteReligieuse]

But if someone gets a hold of the weapon, you can say bye bye to your finger :s

[tommarker]

I disagree.

 

Given that only about 9-10cm or so will stick out on both sides of the fist, they'd have to be pretty good to grab that without getting punctured in the process.

[MenteReligieuse]

...by maybe getting ur arm in a lock, grappling, clinch, throwdown...

[tommarker]

Well, if you get to that point, and you're in a fight where weapons are involved, aren't you pretty much knee-high in doo-doo anyway? The idea of disarming or locking a guy with two of these (and will probably try to make frommage suisse out of you with the other hand while you're trying to lock the other) seems pretty much slim. Unless your weapon of choice is a Remington 870.

 

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying, but my point is that by then, a broken finger is moot.