Favorite response to a hook punch...

[Zhong Gau]

for a right hook:

 

fiegnt right, looking left. grab wrist with right hand lock elbow with left. force arm like short stick into torso, using right foot kick face.

[HanSword]

delta1,

 

>>I'd guess you are familiar with the kick I'm >>talking about.

 

well , it sounds like a regular low kick , but angled down at the last moment , targeting the knee.

 

>>When you do the chicken wing block, do you >>move toward the punching arm, or some other >>maneuver to negate the angle required for his >counter/kick?

 

OK , firstly I am a SOUTHPAW , and I assume my opponent is orthodox.

 

So if he throws a right hook ( not classic but possible ) , then I use my left elbow to CW block .

 

in order for him to right kick my mid section / leg requires him to reset first - ie pivot left foot

 

( possibly as he punches with his left ) to shift weight back to his right , to set for the kick.

 

this is a long time , from which I can do a number of things to counter him - stiff jab /hook ( right side ) / rip off a combo etc . my left elbow already back in normal position .

 

even if he manges to throw the rear RH kick to my right leg , I am ready to check it , and follow with a 1-2 , 2-1 . ( in fact I would like this , very high prob. counter to low kicks )

 

yes , the block is wider ( back ) than ' ideal ' , and if I read you right reverse stance would be s'paw.

 

well , the elbow can't really take his chin since we are in opposing leads , it may if I were to use the right elbow , but then I always prefer an uppercut.

 

if he was to use his LEFT hook , I would shuffle in a bit , to stuff his kick more, then clinch .

 

>> I immagine the block goes a little more back >and out than the 'ideal' block I described. I can >>envision this working with a reversed stance to >>take out his base- we practice that as a strike. >>The elbow takes his chin as he drops from your >>stance spreading his base. But the angles would >have to change to do it as a block. How do you >guys practice it?

 

Angles have changed due to the opposing stances.

 

block , 1-2-3 or any variation that one likes.

 

the hook you described , I called a hook with an arm twirl , I don't find that as powerful as the straight first - then hook punch .

 

I prefer the LONG inverted hook like what Fedor does , that's real neat !

 

nick,

 

>>Doubt you could see well, your entire flank is >>exposed, you've broken your own angle on him >>and your next probable weapon (right arm) is >>out of the picture.

 

I see your point from a WC angle , but in boxing /KB , we change angles all the time .

 

the speed of the block is a lot faster than you think it is powered by the mechanics of the hip , not arm .

 

And vision if fine , speed is the key as it is in all things boxing / KB .

[delta1]

Yep. We're envisioning different positions and angles, which changes everything.

 

The kick is a regular roundhouse, but if you contour the angle of the back of his thigh to the top of his calf and drive that kick through, you can blow his knee and drive him to the ground on that injured knee.

if he was to use his LEFT hook , I would shuffle in a bit , to stuff his kick more, then clinch .

 

That's more what I was asking about. Thanks.

 

The reverse stance is an outward leg buckle. Your left leg in this case would step in between his legs and then you turn so that it is straight. It is in contact at his right knee (or at his right ankle if you kick back into the stance) so turning out and straightening the leg forces his leg to buckle or slide outward. This will unballance him and cause a slight drop in his height, making your upward/backward (obscure) elbow strike more effective and harder to slip.

the hook you described , I called a hook with an arm twirl , I don't find that as powerful as the straight first - then hook punch .

 

It's not. That is a specialty strike, seldom used like it is practiced in basics, and should be looked at more as an extreme range or application of a basic strike. But in extremely close, it can be useful to artificially gain distance for a strike. Not enough room in front of you? Go around!

[HanSword]

OK guys , my mistake , I've been using the wrong terminology . the chicken wing block as used by delta1 is to my understanding , a downward diagonal elbow strike .

 

I completely agree that using it as a block might leave you exposed on the same side.

 

This is not what I meant.

 

The arms in a regular boxing guard , I fold my arm up somewhat and stick my elbow out (110-120 *) to block the hook , on the same side.

 

Like what Quinton Jackson does , refer to his fights x Liddell and Bustamante to see what I'm talking about.

 

This works best for the longer hook. for the range ( headbut ) nick specified , why not just clinch and work from there - will take out the hook .

 

sorry about the confusion.

 

 

The kick is a regular roundhouse, but if you contour the angle of the back of his thigh to the top of his calf and drive that kick through, you can blow his knee and drive him to the ground on that injured knee.

 

my hands are my main standup weapons , but sometimes I throw this kick out and close my hip at the last moment to get the down angle.

 

What if the stances are opposing ? would you still have the same targets , but just on the opposite side ?

[Nick_UKWC]

why not just clinch and work from there

I do Wing Chun. First time I touched a clinch was tonight, about 2 hours ago lol

[delta1]

OK guys , my mistake , I've been using the wrong terminology . the chicken wing block as used by delta1 is to my understanding , a downward diagonal elbow strike .

 

That's what happens when you get a bunch of ma's from different systems talking about things! You hear all these terms, and it gets confusing when you think you've heard it used one way somewhere, but the other guy uses it different- or maybe you were just wrong... now I'm really confused!

 

 

Any way,at least I didn't jump in with a bunch of absolute statements this time and further embarrass myself! But a good discussion, eh!

[delta1]

What if the stances are opposing ? would you still have the same targets , but just on the opposite side ?

 

Depends on how you move, and how you move him. This kick depends on your being to the side and back far enough to access the back of his leg/knee with the kick. And you are right, you definately have to close the hips to deliver this one effectively. It is also best to set him up- take his ballance or get his weight on the target leg so he can't move away too quickly or lift the leg. If you can get his weight on that leg, this kick is extremely devastating!

 

One last, but important point. If you are out of position a little and have to kick with the instep or lower shin, make sure to quickly snap the kick. Kicking with the mid to upper shin and driving your foot to the ground will drive him a little forward and down. But the lower leg/foot will collapse his knee and drop his weight back, pinning your kick in a vise unless you snap it quick.

[Mr. Mike]

I guess my answer is a bit simpler than most here. I would simply slip the attack(assuming a right hook) and counter by either using his momentum against him by grabbing the arm and hip tossing, or slip and parry/grab his wrist as he goes past the point of impact, then take the legs out; all the while using his momentum against him. There are so many factors to consider, such as is it a tight hook or a long sweeping hook? I wouldn't bother to block the tight hook, just slip it, but the long hook, I would own all day by getting inside and showing him what Farfergnugen is all about .

 

See, I'm starting to get loquacious here, and I just thought I had something simple to state. argh.

[HanSword]

I forgot to add stop hits . I sometimes stop hit the hook with a combo of my own.

[busling]

In response to the original questions my favourite* response to a left arm hook punch would be:

 

1. Slight step back

 

2. Caen Sao (Two arm Spliting block the right hand intercepts the punch at the wrist)

 

3. Right Hand Huen Sao (Small circle rotation to get outside of their arm and keep contact as the punch moves past.)

 

4. Left hand palm strike to the chin as I step in on their blind side.

 

*This is my favourite technique not for its effectiveness as it is hard to do; but because it just 'feels right' when you execute it.