A small question for BJJ players.

[judoguy]

I'm relatively new to this forum but in my short time here I have noticed something. Some people on this forum seem to be under the impression that judo has little to no ground work, or that the ground work is crap. The misconception seems to be that judo has SOME groundwork in the way that BJJ has SOME throws. If that is the case then it is WAAAAY off base.

 

The ne waza in judo is very rich indeed IF the student chooses to devote himself to it. The positions, the transitions, and the submissions are complex and effective. I'm not saying that judo ground work is as advanced as bjj in the sense that bjj has some positions that are not seen in judo. But I will not submit that judo has SOME groundwork in the way that bjj has SOME throws.

 

I don't want to start a flame war or anything like that because if you truly understand my statement then there really isn't anything to argue about. Let me know what you all think.

 

Edit: I'm including kosen judo in the conversation even though the rules are different from kodokan in that they do newaza nearly exclusively and have no time limits in their newaza matches, it is still judo none the less.

[Rich67]

I agree with you, but I honestly haven't seen many people slamming judo, IMHO. If they are, they're ignorant. Likewise, I haven't seen too many posts in which people deny BJJ or JJ in general has few throws. That is untrue if it is being said. It makes you wonder how many people post on here actually practice the art in question or if they just make stuff up based on rumor. Either way, I have an immense respect for judo practicioners and have developed an even greater interest in the style since I have been taking BJJ.

[Gumbi]

Judo does involve groundwork, theres no denying that, but I kinda agree with your statement in comparing that to throws in BJJ. Groundwork is obviously more emphasized in Judo than throws are in BJJ and there are some Judokas who are pretty good in the ground fight.

 

I think the idea still stands though- BJJ for groundwork, Judo for throws.

[SevenStar]

there are alot of schools that don't put alot of empahsis on groudwork. It's definitely there, but not always emphasized. You can see this at any shiai - as soon as they go to the ground, the person on bottom will turtle up if he's on his side or stomach, and he'll just sit there till the ref stands them back up. I think this is natural, since judoka will be broken up on the ground after about 10 seconds or so if no progression is being made toward a pin or submission.

[VinnieDaChin]

generally speaking, its just a matter of focuses- bjj on ground judo on clinch. of course nothings in stone.

[WolverineGuy]

The best groundfighter I know is a judoka...it all depends on the school and the student.

[judoguy]

Wow I guess I was reading too much into the comments. Some of the very people who I thought were saying that it doesn't have good ground work are posting very positive things in response to my topic. Thank you all.

[Gumbi]

Wow I guess I was reading too much into the comments. Some of the very people who I thought were saying that it doesn't have good ground work are posting very positive things in response to my topic. Thank you all.

 

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[judoguy]

We're waiting on our $20 bribe

 

It'll be in your paypal account pronto!

[Punchdrunk]

It is strange how fast these generalizations gain popularity.

 

Shonie Carter, Karo Parysian, Hidehiko Yoshido, Nakamura and from the early days of No Holds Barred fighting one of the US Shidokan Shihan Matsumoto - all are outstanding on the ground in MMA and all have Judo as their base for groundfighting.