what would 'impress' you more?

[Drunken Monkey]

a student who keeps asking questions always wanting to know more

 

or

 

a student who doesn't ask questions but spends all of his time working it out physically?

 

same goes for the teacher.

 

would you prefere a teacher who tells you everything you'lle ver need to know about everything from a punch to a step

 

or

 

a teacher who just shows you physically?

 

just a debate topic.....

 

ramble as you please.

 

'tis the season to be jolly

 

fa la la la la, fa la, la, la

 

argue lots and then get angry

 

fa la la la la, fa la, la, la.

 

threaten strangers, then your neighbours

 

fa la la, fa la la, la la la

 

then get drunk and say you're sorry

 

fa la la la la, fa la, la,la.....

[SevenStar]

from the student, one who does both. Ask a question, get it answered and then train. working it out on your own is great, but there's really no need in reinventing the wheel. Same applies to cross training. A perfect exammple is the CMA who say things like "grappling is in the system if you work with the standup techniques and practice applying them on the ground..." whatever - just go train with a grappler. he's training soley grappling and has the answers that you need. Why spend time trying to piece together how to do the technique - quite possibly getting it wrong - when you can train with one experienced in it and ask questions? This applies the opposite way also - I wouldn't use grappling to try and fashion a stand up striking system.

 

From a teacher, just tell the student. the whole "figure it out on your own, grasshopper" attitude is part of what's wrong with MA today... there are too many secrets.

 

1. this stagnates learning

 

2. knowledge gets lost

 

I'm willing to bet that teachers like that are the reason that many people really believe forms teach you how to fight multiple opponents...

[Drunken Monkey]

well, when i said a student who works it out physically, i was thinking more of the guy who listens when the teacher says something, then goes off to 'work it' and work out things from it

 

as opposed to the guy who asks all the questions that if he spent time doing the thing he was told to do, he would find out anyway.

 

i guess the point here is, what is 'better'?

 

learning all, then practicing

 

or

 

learning all by practicing?

 

also, with the teacher, i think i was more thinking along the lines of,

 

"can a teacher teach too much?"

 

are there times when it is better for him to just shut up and let the student work it out

 

(which relates back to the first pair).

[Bleeding Lion]

I like to think of MAs as a field like mathematics, even though the analogy is not perfect.

 

I think a student must learn something, practice it on his own, then ask questions only when it is beyond his scope. like calculus you cant fully learn techniques if you dont apply them or do so poorly.

 

for instance, i saw to many people doing one or two calculus exercise and think they're ready for a test. give them a slightly different exercise and they're lost. likewise, many students will practice a kick or whatever technique without trying to explore what it actually is. put them in a real fight situation where the circumstances are slighly different and the technique sure wont work for them.

 

the bottom line is, as in calculus, a student learn best if he discover things by himself, so a teacher should always make sure he/she did some sort of personal research before they FULLY answer a question.

 

the basics to get them started, the more advanced stuff after practice and search for more.

[DokterVet]

I think focusing on the physicallity is better.

 

I've had too many teachers that like to just talk to us about karate instead of having us do karate.

 

You can philosophize all you want, and spend your time analyzing everything, but the guy that spent that time practicing a punch is going to whup you.

[MenteReligieuse]

I prefer a sifu that teaches you everything, not just physically, while I prefer just soaking up the info he gives and train myself physically

[SabreToothMan]

The best learning in my experience it to take the basic knowlege given by the teacher and practice it. This gives you a platform to learn more about the technique and understand more of what the instructor says. Then you practice this... and so on. The teacher who impresses me it the one who knows how much to teach the student so the student can practice with out being overloaded. And the student who impresses me is the one who can say, "I understand what you've said so far, now may I practice it and come back for more information later?" Chatting about things you can't apply is fun, but impractical. And re-inventing the wheel, as stated earlier, is also impractical.

[gojuchad]

Im only speaking from what ive been taught this is of course my opinion. I have been taught to only ask a small amount of questions during class and to watch and imitate what the sensei is doing. If there is to much talking then you are not training. Now after class my teacher is allways willing to spend as much time necessary on questions but not in class.

 

As far as the sensei, mine gives info. on a personal basis you dont want to bog someone down with to much info. just get them to do the basic movement and over time pick out things to improve and before you know it that person will have really good technique. So not alot of talk, beginners sould not look like black belts, what im saying they may be able to look the part but they wont understand what they are doing without going threw the motions of learning.

[delta1]

Ballance, grasshoppa!

 

Instructor should teac you the basics and the principles. Students should apply themselves to learning these correctly.

 

Instructor should work on teaching students to think through things on their own, working them out both physically and mentally. Students should apply themselves to these skills as well.

 

Instructor should watch and * each student, steping in to correct or nudge them in the right direction in both basic practice and in their understanding and knowlege. Students should try to work things out, listen when the instructor corrects or lectures, and ask questions when they need help.

 

Balance, in all things!

[Hudson]

Hmmm....

 

Quite interesting. A student should know enough to use a proper technique, rather, know enough to avoid using an improper technique. And the teacher should teach that way.