Joint Locks

[Hudson]

What are you feelings about joint locks?

[Rich67]

Uuuuuuhhhh.... They hurt?

[Shane]

I think joint locks are a very good tool to have, as far as using them in a street fight its going to depend. Some joint locks puts you at a disadvantage if their are others around who might turn on you, say your attackers buddies, etc. Also on some locks you need to have good technique, speed and the eliment of surprise to pull them off, But if you land some good strikes prior to using joint locks I find they are a lot easier to apply. So I think that going from some good hard strikes (to distract) and then into a joint lock can be a good way to go. Now on the street you want to call them breaks not locks because your not going for a submission, you want to finish your attacker and get the hell out of there. So if you can get a BREAK go for it.

[cross]

I like using joint-locks to setup strikes and strikes to setup joint-locks. Its all relative.

[Hudson]

Ok, let me add some more criteria - what are your thoughts on combat effectiveness of jointlocks, ease of use, and use against groups (vs 2, vs 3, etc;)

[Sasori_Te]

The only time I would go for a joint lock in a confrontation is if I stunned the other person with another technique first. Here's my reasoning for this.

 

If I am grabbed by someone who means me harm, I'm not going to go for a joint "lock". I'm going straight for the dislocation of the joint and the tearing of as much cartilage and muscle as I can.

 

Second reason: if the opponent is bigger and/ or stronger than me and I try to use a lock without stunning him first I run the risk of pitting strength against strength. If he's stronger I run a very real chance of being injured.

 

Since I count joint locks in with my grappling techniques, that answers the question about group confrontations. we all can imagine how well a single person trying to grapple a group of people would go over.

Edited December 8, 2004 by Sasori_Te

[Rathe]

I teach my students a lot of wrist locks that make the opponent very open. So I think Joint locks are great in one on one. A proper lock will deter a single combatant from continuing if you apply the right amount of pressure as well. And hopefully you will avoid any further need for action.

 

If your taking on multiple opponents, quick joint locks that set up strikes will work but aren't highly recommended in my book. This would require you to have excellent technique and quick reflexes. If you are slow your just going to get bum rushed.

[SevenStar]

standing locks - I don't prefer them especially not to be used by themselves. As sasori-te said, they should be stunned first.

 

ground locks - they are great, if you have the opportunity to use them.

[VinnieDaChin]

theyre a lot harder to do standing up in real life than many would have you believe. on the ground, oh yea, break those bones.

[Drunken Monkey]

....joint locks are not something i set out to do when sparring/playing.

 

if the i 'see' the opportunity to try one then i might go for it but it's not my primary aim.

 

normally, this period of 'daylight' happens after moves have been exchanged and we are in the process of gaining control of the situation, be it by trapping/grappling or just punch/block/parry and slipping a hand arm in a certain way.

 

a basic wing chun arm break is like a joint lock without the twist or joint control to take down.

 

you could go for the break or you could flow to the take down.

 

we do a little joint lock/take down practice against single strikes (straight/swing/whatever).

 

it works against single , relatively slow/safe attacks.

 

once the other guy starts to swing harder or heaven forbid, attacks continously,

 

getting a lock on as your primary aim is not an easy thing to do.