Wu shu?

[Zhong Gau]

The basic premise in all martial arts is to generate as much power as you possibly can. circular movements *tend* to generate more power than linear ones. certain TKD kicks, like the one used to dismount a rider, are not acrobatic and tend to develop more power than anything wushu and most things kung fu.

 

in principle, the idea that you can generate more power by spinning is correct. its basic physics that has to be reckoned with.

Edited December 12, 2004 by Zhong Gau

[Hudson]

hey guys,

 

menthe may have left it open intentionally to encourage a heated discussion.

 

menthe may have been responding to the statement in the middle of the post (2nd to last line), based on grammar and his experience as a stylist as posted elsewhere.

 

his experience may be such that your experience is unique in the broader spectrum of wushuiness.

 

he could've been feeling ornary and wanted to challenge you kids mentally to see how easy it'd be to pick a fight when all you can do is squirell style.

 

Whatever Mente intended to do he did not express clearly as even you have only theories. Don't offer up just that he's a no-faced antagonist with lots of experience in "wushuiness" with a holier than thou attitude - you speak only for yourself.

 

And for the record, you sound like a kid. Attacking someone's martial arts skill because of a verbal debate? Immature. Please refrain from posting things like that, even if you are entitled to your freedom of speech.

[dippedappe]

"Zhong Gau"

 

I dont think you understood what I said.

 

I said that acrobatic movements CAN be used effective. I didnt say that its better than doing the normal attacks. And I dont say that the normal attacks are better either. It depends on the situation.

[scottnshelly]

Okay, first of all...Im no kid.

 

I dont care if he wants to pic a fight, or not. If hes going to correct me, then atleast tell me what I was wrong about.

 

Do you think Im wrong with, acrobatic movements having power? The most powerful and damaging movements I can do, is Flying sidekick and Tornado kick. Flying sidekick isnt difficult to time effective, but Tornado kick is. But if you manage, he will most likely go down. If you dont think Im right about this then tell me why.

 

I've no input of any real value to this topic, but i found the discussion interesting and wanted to speak on this last post.

 

I do think that you are wrong with saying "The most powerful and damaging movements I can do, is Flying sidekick and Tornado kick."

 

Now, i may be thinking in different context as you. You may actually be saying something like "On my Nintendo game, The most powerful and damaging movements..."

 

That may be true, but i guarentee that any kick with one foot on the ground is more effective than a kick with neither foot on the ground - unless the component only trains in jumping kicks without ever practicing ground kicks.

 

And as far as Menthe's simple response, I agree. enough said. he didn't go into a lenghty discussion about why "no", but i got it. i think he meant it to be left open.

[Zhong Gau]

hey guys,

 

menthe may have left it open intentionally to encourage a heated discussion.

 

menthe may have been responding to the statement in the middle of the post (2nd to last line), based on grammar and his experience as a stylist as posted elsewhere.

 

his experience may be such that your experience is unique in the broader spectrum of wushuiness.

 

he could've been feeling ornary and wanted to challenge you kids mentally to see how easy it'd be to pick a fight when all you can do is squirell style.

 

Whatever Mente intended to do he did not express clearly as even you have only theories. Don't offer up just that he's a no-faced antagonist with lots of experience in "wushuiness" with a holier than thou attitude - you speak only for yourself.

 

And for the record, you sound like a kid. Attacking someone's martial arts skill because of a verbal debate?

 

perhaps you should re read my statements after you have cooled down.

 

I have read a lot of menthe's statements about his experience and i can understand his perspective from not only his point of view but from another as well.

 

If he felt offended by my statement of my assumptions about his experience i'm quite sure he would've let me know.

 

Did you check my statement about the differences in experiences? (the second one in the post.) sounds to me like you're the one who may have maturity problems.

 

I think you have read some nonexistant attitude into the discussion. which basically means the problem is all you: your inability to accept a differing point of view when it seems to affect you personally, hudson.

 

I know wushu is very popular in england as it is more artisitic than savate. elsewhere in this forum there are threads with more indeapth information about wushu.

 

and if you're baffled about my reference to 'squirrel style': a number of years ago the Hung Fot grandmaster made arather lengthy arguement in other forums for the existance of squirrel. its quite humorous and 'trite' in his words. the basic premise of squirrel is that all you can do is block and run away because it is inherently *BAD* to hurt someone. occasionally one of your blocks might miss and actually hit something but it shouldn't be considered an attack because it wasn't intended to be.

 

so there.

Edited December 12, 2004 by Zhong Gau

[dippedappe]

Okay, first of all...Im no kid.

 

I dont care if he wants to pic a fight, or not. If hes going to correct me, then atleast tell me what I was wrong about.

 

Do you think Im wrong with, acrobatic movements having power? The most powerful and damaging movements I can do, is Flying sidekick and Tornado kick. Flying sidekick isnt difficult to time effective, but Tornado kick is. But if you manage, he will most likely go down. If you dont think Im right about this then tell me why.

 

I've no input of any real value to this topic, but i found the discussion interesting and wanted to speak on this last post.

 

I do think that you are wrong with saying "The most powerful and damaging movements I can do, is Flying sidekick and Tornado kick."

 

Now, i may be thinking in different context as you. You may actually be saying something like "On my Nintendo game, The most powerful and damaging movements..."

 

That may be true, but i guarentee that any kick with one foot on the ground is more effective than a kick with neither foot on the ground - unless the component only trains in jumping kicks without ever practicing ground kicks.

 

And as far as Menthe's simple response, I agree. enough said. he didn't go into a lenghty discussion about why "no", but i got it. i think he meant it to be left open.

 

Why in the world are you doubting word? When I say that my most powerful attack is that, then I mean it! I have tested it.

 

Has this thread been posted to flame eachother? Lets stop the flaming.

[Zhong Gau]

[quote="dippedappe: Do you think Im wrong with, acrobatic movements having power? The most powerful and damaging movements I can do, is Flying sidekick and Tornado kick.

 

well, i'm sure they're very impressive.

[Hudson]

I'm going to step down from arguing, just because it fills up this thread with useless posts that have no relation to the topic. Zhong Gau, my sincerest apologies if you picked up any sort of attitude from my post - it was not my intention just as you did not intend for me to pick up any attitude from your post.

[MenteReligieuse]

Arf, my earlier post was short because it was very late and was going too bed and I was sure someone could explain better than me why a tornado kick is not something to do in a fight. The reasons are (in my opinion for whatever it is worth) :

 

1. Too slow, by the time you take the few steps to give yourselve momentum then complete the spin in the air your opponent probably won't be where he was once you started the motion (like I've seen a couple times happening in spars). Which also leads to point 2...

 

2. The slowness of the execution and the telegraphed movement makes it too easy to avoid or block. And yeah practicing tornado kicks in the air you can land on your feet, but if you get blocked, or actually have the luck of landing the kick, big chances are you land on your * since your rotating motion is stopped short.

 

3. In theory, circular movement do generate great power...when combined with rooting! When in the air, you are only using the kinetic force of your spin while using very little body strenght (at best you can add a little snapping motion). When on the ground, you can add the circular movement WITH the power of your muscles. Not sure if this is clear, I'll explain later if it is needed.

 

This is all I can think of right now...

[dippedappe]

"The slowness of the execution and the telegraphed movement makes it too easy to avoid or block. And yeah practicing tornado kicks in the air you can land on your feet, but if you get blocked, or actually have the luck of landing the kick, big chances are you land on your * since your rotating motion is stopped short. "

 

It sounds to me like you are mistaking tornado for butterfly or something like that. Tornado is very easy to land, even when blocked.

 

And if I was to use it in a fight, then I would hide it in a series.

 

"Too slow, by the time you take the few steps to give yourselve momentum then complete the spin in the air your opponent probably won't be where he was once you started the motion (like I've seen a couple times happening in spars). Which also leads to point 2..."

 

Like I said. Its difficult to time right.

 

"In theory, circular movement do generate great power...when combined with rooting!"

 

Why are you saying "In Theory"? Its not theory.