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[DeadCell]

Ok, I got invited to a Fight Club by a friend, it was pretty tame (By this I mean no shots above the neck). Not all out. But I was watching it and they seemed like they knew what they were doing. Good attacking, good defense, kinda like watching boxing and ummmm a weird form of Judo. I chose to partake and beat a guy in a match that mostly consited of punches. (He had many bruises but got up smiling). He was a fierce opponent and could take some heavy blows. All good fun though. Eveyone had a blast.

 

Well, I got to know one of the guys there. One of the founders of the club, actually a nice, level headed guy (he was the one that insisted on no face shots). Well, we were chillin in a parking lot (just came out from buying so Sobe's, cherry citrus) and these 2 guys came up to him saying stuff like "you think your all bad cause of that fight club". My friend replied "no way man, just fun and a good workout, stop by sometime if you like". The guy replied "MF B****, you dont know jack about fighting". My friend said, "maybe so but I do it for fun".

 

Ok before I go any further the guy and his friend are regulars at a local Kenpo dojo, been doing it for 3 yrs (at least the aggressor guy has, don't know bout the friend). The dojo is well respected and I have a few friends that go there (this is how I know about the aggressor guy).

 

Anyway after continued berating by the agressor my new found bud said "whatever, I dont want any trouble, good day to ya, sir" and turned to walk to his car.

 

Well, the agressor kicked him in the back of the knee sending him to the ground, my friend was quickly there after up again. The agressor tried an open handed shot to the face but my friend ducked out and delivered a shot to the face followed up with a shot to the abdominal area. The agressor fell down, got up slowly and came in again, he tried to put my friend in a wrist type lock but failed when my friend's fist found the aggressors face and then my friend envoked a weird throw sending the dude down.

 

His friend finally stopped it and we left. I was shocked. I thought my friend was in trouble. The guy was better trained (I thought) and bigger.

 

So this brings me to a couple of questions.

 

1. Why did the trained Martial Artist lose?

 

2. Could the fight club have given my friend good experience and taught him to fight well?

 

Thanks

[White Warlock]

Sounds like that so-called martial artist wasn't very good, especially with attempting to implement a wristlock while the opponent still has the ability to strike. Also, do you know the training history of your friend? It may be that him being humble is an indication he's had quite a bit of training.

 

Anyway, the aggressor's actions were criminal and your friend should press charges. Letting him get away with this is wrong on so many levels.

[delta1]

First off, I see an underlying theme here: "Traditional martial arts schools are no good, don't train good fighters, but put out arrogant jerks that think they are tougher than they are. And Krav Maga is best." Sorry, I'm not buying your story as presented. It's possible, but highly unlikely that anyone with much training would be that incompetant. Also, most schools (and any American Kenpo schools I know of, if that is what he was in) would have gotten rid of this kind of jerk pretty quick, no matter what the style.

 

There are too many variables implied but not stated with both the agressor and the protagonist in your story. It stands to reason that the owner of a fight club has some interest in the fighting arts, and a good chance he's studied at least one. He's probably fought before too. Knowing this, why present it here in this kind of question? Your entire presentation begs the question, presuming that someone you try to present as untrained can take on anyone trained in a more traditional school, when it is so obviously not the case even as you tell it.

 

This just doesn't sound right to me. Not saying it didn't happen, or that you are a liar. But it appears that you've embellished a little to make a point, and there's no way to counter that point other than to call it out in the open and say it as I see it. (I'll probably be hearing from the mods again, but oh well. Things are as they are.)

[DeadCell]

Ok, first off that KM statement is way outta line delta. I never said KM is better than anything else. It has its strengths and weaknesses just like every MA.

 

Im not implying he can take on all these trained people. Im implying he took on A trained person and beat him pretty bad. Im also not saying TA are bad in anyway.

 

My friend has no MA experience whatsoever cept for the little fight club he co-runs. Im not leaving out any detail or skewing anything. I'm telling you exactly what I saw and then asking how a trained Martial Artist got beat by a regular guy, I mean did his fighting experience help that much?

 

The only things I don't know are....

 

Was their ever a confrontation before

 

Did one of the other fight club members run his mouth

 

Was something said that offended the aggressor before hand

 

These thing IDK and could have spawned some of this. But by posting this I am not trying to diss any MA, whether it be TA or whatever. delta you can call me what ever you want. But the fact remains this is what happened.

 

So really, Im just wondering if the fight club had a major impact on his fighting abilities.

 

Also I did try to get him to call the cops but he didnt want to get anyone into trouble over a small scuffle. I think he was a little nervous aswell about the incident. I mean if something was brought up about the FC it would look bad on him.

[delta1]

Maybe I read too much in to it, but that is the tone, or general idea I got from it. My apologies if I was wrong.

[White Warlock]

Cutting to the core of your questions, we do not know what your friend's experiences or training may have been. He may not be telling you, for whatever reason. We also do not know the extent of, or quality of, training that the antagonist received.

 

In the end, it is the practitioner, not the style. How he trains, not what he trains in. His commitment and tenacity, not his school's credentials. etc...

[VinnieDaChin]

seems like the guy wasnt a very good martial artist. and experience counts for a lot. i bet you the aggressor doesnt even spar with contact, if at all... and you guys do.

 

next time, tell your friend not to let the guy get up, but to kick his head as hes getting up so to finish him of.. and, you know, end the threat.

[White Warlock]

Umm, Vinnie, doing something like that could get you 10 to life.

[MenteReligieuse]

little question, since when American Kenpo is considered a Traditonal MA ?!

Did one of the other fight club members run his mouth

 

Was something said that offended the aggressor before hand

 

First and second rule of fight club is : "YOU DONT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB"

 

damnit ppl! follow the rules

[DeadCell]

Im positive he hasn't taken anything. A little wrestling in Jr. High and thats it.

 

Again not trying to diss any martial art. After I posted this I talked to some of my friends who also take the class and they told me he is a lotta talk with no skill. Also he wastes his time in class sparing with the newer guys.

 

np delta, hoped I clarified some.

 

Following rules 1 and 2 are always smart.