Wrestling vs. Shuai Chiao - pros/cons

[dingyuan]

Hi

 

I thought I would make a similiar topics on the pros and cons between Shuai Chiao and Wrestling. Can anyone tell me the answer? Thank you.

[judoguy]

Shuai chaio has every greco roman takedown. But Greco doesn't have hardly any shuai chaio throws. Shuai chaio has no ground work all. Both are extremly hard to take down to the ground and the training will make you tough as nails. If I had to pick one it would be Shuai Chaio simply because It is a nastier version of Judo but without the ground work. I also think it would work better on the streets as it is in my opinion the most effective form of kung fu ever devised followed by baji quan.

[SevenStar]

judo and shuai chiao actually are not related - shuai chiao and sumo may be, however. There are only so many ways you can throw a person, so judo and shuai chiao look strikingly similar.

 

the shuai chiao double leg is not like the wrestler's double leg - I would much more prefer the wrestling double leg. There are variations of the single leg that I don't think shuai chiao has as well. It may not have every takedown wrestling has, but I do believe it has alot of them. I agree with pretty much everything else you said though.

[Drunken Monkey]

i've seen some shuia chiao, in wei chou (somewhere in northern china...) i think.

 

to me, it looked just like the wrestling i see that you equate to high school wrestling.

 

but then again, i'm not entirely sure of the 'authenticity' of it as a reference to 'real' shuai chiao.

[SevenStar]

in what respect did it look like that? In the clinch, yeah, most grappling styles will look similar. There should have been throws done, however, that you won't see in wrestling. Unless, the guys were only doing takedowns.

 

What exactly did you see?

[Drunken Monkey]

...please excuse me for the following as my grappling knowledge is very limited so my terms might be a bit off....

 

it might help if i just describe what i saw.

 

it started of with both parties squaring off and some 'feeling' with a lead hand.

 

both were standing quite high.

 

a grab on a wrist occured and then the grabber closed in and it then they went into the 'usual' elbow/neck/wrist clinch type situation.

 

the take down to the floor that followed had one guy slip and get into what looked in my eyes, like a hip throw except his leg was involved somehow (i didn't quite see how....)

 

i can't even begin to describe what happened on the floor as i really have no idea what they were trying to do and so describing it would be futile.

 

the general gist was that both were trying to gain control.

 

win was by tap-out.

 

i've also seen some of the more ritualistic games they play in the more northern areas where they play the 'throwing game' (i have no idea what it * but was told it was some kind of 'wrestling').

 

for this they wore some kinda jacket and this was used as something to grip onto.

 

this was more stand-up and unlike before, the match ended when one person falls, usually by way of a throw/trip.

[SevenStar]

shuai chiao in general does not train ground work. I wonder if you witnessed some sort of mixed class. The second instance does sound like sc, however.

[Drunken Monkey]

well, like i said, i'm not really sure what it was.

 

the class was in china and conducted in manadrin.

 

i was understanding very little of what was going on.

 

it was introduced to me as (in mandarin) 'shuia chiao' and i'm not entirely sure if that term ISN'T used to describe all types of wrestling

 

(y'know, like how kung fu is used to mean all chinese martial arts)

 

or

 

if it was a mixed type class as you suggest.

 

the other exhibition (the game), was very much a fun thing.

 

the guys were all smiling and it was, well, jolly.

 

it wasn't in a classroom/gym with nice pads like the other one.

 

this was like a street game done on dusty roads.

[dingyuan]

In Mandarin, all kinds of wrestling are called "Shuai Chiao" this include Western wrestling, Mongolian wrestling and even pro wrestling.

[judoguy]

judo and shuai chiao actually are not related - shuai chiao and sumo may be, however. There are only so many ways you can throw a person, so judo and shuai chiao look strikingly similar.

 

the shuai chiao double leg is not like the wrestler's double leg - I would much more prefer the wrestling double leg. There are variations of the single leg that I don't think shuai chiao has as well. It may not have every takedown wrestling has, but I do believe it has alot of them. I agree with pretty much everything else you said though.

 

In the sense that judo is decended from jujitsu and jujitsu is decended from shuai chiao they are related. But you are right in that shuai chiao doesn't have EVERY greco takedown but it has most of them. how long have you studied Shuai chaio by the way?